1832-The 5th informative picture thread covering the Capped Bust Half Series. Post your CBH's
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This is a great series of threads! Great photos, great coins and great varieties.
PLEASE CONTRIBUTE: You don't have to know anything about Bust Half varieties to make a comment, even if it's to say 'I like this coin..',
it helps to keep the thread lively, and all input is VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!
These threads were started by Mozin, and I'll start this particular thread paraphrasing JRocco's 1833 thread.
HERE ARE THE LINKS TO THE OTHER THREADS:
YOU CAN POST TO THESE THREADS ANYTIME...IT'S NEVER TOO LATE!!!
1836
1835
1834
1833
This is the FIFTH in a series of informative picture threads covering the lettered edge Capped Bust Half Dollars from 1807-36 in reverse year order.
1832 starts today, 10/29 1831 starts Thurs. 11/2 and this pattern continues on down.
General guidelines:
1. Members can simply post pictures, or include pertinent information like Overton marriage
and diagnostics, or just ask for information about their pictured coin from other members.
Please keep picture file sizes within reason for dial up members.
2. Ultimately, we would like to see at least one example pictured for each Overton marriage.
3. Thread starts are only on Thursdays and Sundays.
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This is a year in which Kneass was the chief engraver.
There were different HUBS used throughout 1807-1836 and the working dies,
as many of you know, were modified here and there for one reason or another,
leading to all the different die marriages that intrigue collectors far more knowledgable than myself.
Please excuse the fact that I photoshopped these images,
but my coin is so dark that I just felt it would be OK;
1832 was a year where the HUB of Obverse Sub-Design Type #8 of 1832-1834,
according to Souders, was used.
Changes made from the prior years included elevating the relief of the entire design, enlarging the cap with deeper creases. Here, the cheek is full and rounded.
The photo I am using is an XF specimen, so the cheek is worn,
but as you see others post higher grades of this HUB type, you'll see the full rounded cheek much better.
And you can look at the other posts for the later years, all of which sport this architectural beauty. You really need a high grade specimen to appreciate 'the look'.
The total mintage for 1832 was 4,797,000, and was composed of 15 obverse and 16 reverse dies, resulting in 23 different die marriages for the year.
There are large letter and small letter reverses. The small letter reverse constitutes all those 1832's where the letters are
< 2 mm in height.
This is the Overton 117, a Rarity 4+, a very scarce die marriage of obverse 11 and reverse D.
Obverse 11 may also be found in the O-116. The 1 was first struck with a long serif and then repunched with a blunt type 1.
There is evidence of recutting the base and the right side.
Peterson illustrates that the hair curl appears to pierce the L in LIBERTY.
The reverse, which may also be found in the O-105, shows the lower crossbar extending into the L wing and a small tine at the upper right of the shield.
There is a die defect line that goes from the upper L corner of the shield and arcs back down towards the center.
WE NEED VOLUNTEERS TO START THESE THREADS
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO START THE 1831 THREAD ON THURSDAY, PLEASE POST HERE OR EMAIL MOZIN OR MYSELF
PLEASE CONTRIBUTE: You don't have to know anything about Bust Half varieties to make a comment, even if it's to say 'I like this coin..',
it helps to keep the thread lively, and all input is VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!
These threads were started by Mozin, and I'll start this particular thread paraphrasing JRocco's 1833 thread.
HERE ARE THE LINKS TO THE OTHER THREADS:
YOU CAN POST TO THESE THREADS ANYTIME...IT'S NEVER TOO LATE!!!1836
1835
1834
1833
This is the FIFTH in a series of informative picture threads covering the lettered edge Capped Bust Half Dollars from 1807-36 in reverse year order.
1832 starts today, 10/29 1831 starts Thurs. 11/2 and this pattern continues on down.
General guidelines:
1. Members can simply post pictures, or include pertinent information like Overton marriage
and diagnostics, or just ask for information about their pictured coin from other members.
Please keep picture file sizes within reason for dial up members.
2. Ultimately, we would like to see at least one example pictured for each Overton marriage.
3. Thread starts are only on Thursdays and Sundays.
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::1832::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
This is a year in which Kneass was the chief engraver.
There were different HUBS used throughout 1807-1836 and the working dies,
as many of you know, were modified here and there for one reason or another,
leading to all the different die marriages that intrigue collectors far more knowledgable than myself.
Please excuse the fact that I photoshopped these images,
but my coin is so dark that I just felt it would be OK;
1832 was a year where the HUB of Obverse Sub-Design Type #8 of 1832-1834,
according to Souders, was used.
Changes made from the prior years included elevating the relief of the entire design, enlarging the cap with deeper creases. Here, the cheek is full and rounded.
The photo I am using is an XF specimen, so the cheek is worn,
but as you see others post higher grades of this HUB type, you'll see the full rounded cheek much better.
And you can look at the other posts for the later years, all of which sport this architectural beauty. You really need a high grade specimen to appreciate 'the look'.
The total mintage for 1832 was 4,797,000, and was composed of 15 obverse and 16 reverse dies, resulting in 23 different die marriages for the year.
There are large letter and small letter reverses. The small letter reverse constitutes all those 1832's where the letters are
< 2 mm in height.
This is the Overton 117, a Rarity 4+, a very scarce die marriage of obverse 11 and reverse D.
Obverse 11 may also be found in the O-116. The 1 was first struck with a long serif and then repunched with a blunt type 1.
There is evidence of recutting the base and the right side.
Peterson illustrates that the hair curl appears to pierce the L in LIBERTY.
The reverse, which may also be found in the O-105, shows the lower crossbar extending into the L wing and a small tine at the upper right of the shield.
There is a die defect line that goes from the upper L corner of the shield and arcs back down towards the center.
WE NEED VOLUNTEERS TO START THESE THREADS
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO START THE 1831 THREAD ON THURSDAY, PLEASE POST HERE OR EMAIL MOZIN OR MYSELF
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Very nice coin.
Your coin is indeed the O-120a. The BHNC and Don Parsley's 4th edition both list it as R3. The 4th edition makes mention of all the cracks except for the one upwards from star 11. There is a still later O-120b that shows an internal cud on the crack from star 3 to the chin. That DS is possibly R7.
Who pulled out the eagle's tail feathers?
O-101a,with a large break across the eagles left wing.Overton says this crack possibly resulted from improper
annealing of the die,because all rev. A coins have the break.
If you had the Overton bible, you would find this variety because of the small spike protruding from the top of the cap. Another clue is the left edge of the scroll position on the reverse. Either of these diagnostics would get you to the correct attribution.
Now, who will name this Overton marriage?
Impressive.
Have we gotten anywhere on a volunteer list?
Come on guys--it doesn't have to be a great work of art to start one of these.... just sign up to get one rolling and everyone else can jump in to fill in the blanks.
Great bunch of collectors on these boards that always show their willingness to help
1832 O.118 R1
Some diagnostics for 1832 O-106 R1:
Obverse: The two lowest points of star 1 are recut.
Reverse: B-shaped defect in the shield at bottom. A die line almost connects the bases of "T" & "E" in "STATES". High "50C" with a short, thick, pointed top on "5". Right side of "I" under left side of "T".
Edited to give another try at the 1832 O-106 description:
Reverse: B-shaped defect in the shield at bottom. A die line almost connects the bases of "T" & "E" in "STATES". High "50C" with a short, thick, pointed top on "5". Right side of "I" under left side of "T".
For some strange reason, the goofy errors occur whenever I use copy and paste, even though I retyped my original source before copy and paste. This time I typed the information directly into the edit message box, and it came out correctly. Preview was always showing correctly. I sure hope I don't have more of this problem.
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1832 O.116 R3
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Some diagnostics for 1832 O-107 R2:
Obverse: Star 1 points to lower half of dentil. Hair curl between R and T is elevated. Close date is well centered, but the 2 is high. Mouth is dimpled at corner and slightly open. (Same obverse as O-108.)
Reverse: A crooked tine extends upwards from the upper right corner of the shield. Both Ts of STATES are rotated CCW. Line 3 of stripe 1, and two lines of stripe 3 extend below shield. I centered under left side of T.
Anyone with an O-109 or the diagnostics?
I think mine might be the same die marriage as yours... O - 107.
Checked out the "2," the lip and the hair curl.
But it brought the thread to the top.
(Photos courtesy of Mike Printz of Larry Whitlow)
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Some diagnostics for 1832 O-108 R3:
Obverse: Star 1 points to lower half of dentil. Hair curl between R and T is elevated. Close date is well centered, but the 2 is high. Mouth is dimpled at corner and slightly open. (Same obverse as O-107.)
Reverse: The lower left outer serif of the A in STATES is recut in a stair step appearance. The upper part of the crossbars, and the three stripes on the right, are partially filled. Line 3 of stripe 4 extends below border. Most stripes have a line extending upwards into crossbars. Right side of I under left side of T.
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Some diagnostics for Dotted Throat 1832 O-113 R2:
Obverse: Star 1 points between dentils. A marking dot is placed at the juncture of the chin and neck of Liberty. Only the O-114, which shares this obverse, has such a throat dot. S13 points to a double dentil.
Reverse: The bulging arrowheads are crude and touching. There is a short tine bending to the left at the tip of the right wing. Base of A2 (first A in AMERICA) is a tiny bit lower than M. Right side of I under left side of T.
Some diagnostics for 1832 O-121a R3:
Obverse: Star 1 points upper edge of dentil. 1 is recut at its flag. 2 has a broad curved base. This late die state displays a filled top 3.
Reverse: A diagonal die defect runs down from the middle of stripe 6, through stripe 5. Upper part of shield is somewhat flat. Arrowheads are flat and crude. The lower two are solidly connected, and they are both connected to the shafts above. I is far left from T.
Some diagnostics for Large Letter reverse 1832 O-101a R1:
Obverse: Star 1 points to center of dentil. A fine vertical die line joins lips to chin. Star 7 points to upper half of dentil, and to junction of curl and headband. Cap extends over headband to curl. 1 shows recutting right of upright. 8 shows recutting inside bottom loop at top, and right of upper loop. (Obverse shared with O-102.)
Reverse: Die lumps from a rusted die show between stem of lower leaves and the lower berry, also lumps inside of OF. On this LDS, the earlier break now crosses entire left wing, and runs on down to olive leaves. A die crack shows from lower berry across leaves, and to UNI. Left sides of I and T are in line.
Help me if you can.
Thanks so much
Your 1832 is an O.108. This is the second usage of the obverse die, dentilation is now gone under the date, and stars are being drawn to the edge. The A in STATES is recut at base. This die marriage used to be a very scarce R-4 (81-200 estimated survivors), I don't have the more recent rarity ratings handy to see if it is still R-4.
The O-108 is currently R3. Compare your coin with the one I posted earlier in this thread. Glad to see you provided larger pictures.
I have another CBH that I need help attributing. Thanks again who helped with my last post. BTW I have the overton book on order.
Thanks so much
Compare your Bustie with Cladiator's O-118 R1, shown very early in this thread.
The only variety of 1832 to use this Reverse was the O-118.
I can't really tell from the image, but the upper left (as you look at it) corner
of the shield should have "double corner".
Sure is a nice looking high grade Bustie.
Some diagnostics for 1832 O-103 R1:
Obverse: Star 1 points to upper edge of dentil. A die lump shows on drapery between 18 and clasp. Low date has a small blunt upper serif on 1. (Obverse shared with O-104.)
Reverse: High 50 C has a recut 5, showing left of upright. A is above M at base. Right side of I is under left side of T.
Some diagnostics for 1832 O-104 R3:
Obverse: Star 1 points to upper edge of dentil. A die lump shows on drapery between “18” and clasp. Low date has a small blunt upper serif on “1”. (Obverse is LDS of O-103.)
Reverse: Sharp tine from right wing tip curves down to the right. Arrowheads are crude, joined by defects, and upper arrow shaft is thickened. “A” is higher than “M” at base. Berries are deformed lumps. Left sides of “I” and “T” are in line. (Reverse shared with O-102.)