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Regarding Jeffersons, can someone explain in detail the reverse of '39 or reverse of '40 thing?

What's different about the reverses?

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  • All 1938 nickels are Rev of '38, with wavy, ill-defined steps.

    In 1939, they reworked the masters to strengthen the step detail, resulting in sharp, straight step lines.

    All 1940 nickels (with the exception of some proof coins, noted below) are Rev of '40)

    For MS coins, 1939 was the transition year, with roughly half of the nickels being Rev '38 and half Rev '40. The mix
    varies by mint. Breen lists the percentages as follows:

    1939 - Rev '38 20%, Rev '40 80%
    1939-D - Rev '38 60%, Rev '40 40%
    1939-S - Rev '38 67%, Rev '40 33%

    For Proof coins, there are two rarities - 1939 Rev '40 coins, made from a single die pair, and 1940 Rev '38 coins, also made from a single die pair.

    Ken

    P.S. PCGS did not always differentiate between the two types. Once they did begin designating the 1939 MS Jeffersons as Rev '38 or Rev '40,
    they unfortunately decided to lump all of the previously graded coins into the Rev '38 group. Therefore, the populations are definately skewed,
    as I have a 1939-D Rev '40 coin right now that is shown as a Rev '38 when you do a cert lookup. They will correct these with a simple designation
    review service.
  • Where's cladking when you need him?

    Solid, I'm anxiously awaiting....
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  • I have photos of both on my website here. Those are both very well struck coins -- they are both proofs.
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    Here's a 1939-D Rev of '38, I believe:

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    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • And here is a Rev '40 coin (this is a proof, but the steps are the same as MS coins)

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reverse of 1938.
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    Reverse of 1940.
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  • << <i>For Proof coins, there are two rarities - 1939 Rev '40 coins, made from a single die pair, and 1940 Rev '38 coins, also made from a single die pair. >>



    I don't understand why there is a 1940 reverse of '38 if in '39 they made the transition. I guess that '39 transition was only for MS coins? <----- Never mind. I missed this originally: All 1940 nickels (with the exception of some proof coins, noted below) are Rev of '40).

    Also, in keet's pictures above, did they add a step during this transition?
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  • no additional step added. best thing to do is get a 38 proof, and compare to a 41 proof. you'll see the difference immediately
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    just look at the very top step in the pictures i posted above; it is noticebly thicker than the rest of the other steps in the 1940 Reverse, very close in thickness to the rest of the steps in the 1938 Reverse. forget about all the other mumbo-jumbo, focus first and foremost on the top step's thickness and if need be, the clarity/distinction of the step lines overall, that's all you really need to know.
  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭


    << <i>I have photos of both on my website here. Those are both very well struck coins -- they are both proofs. >>



    Carl
    you did a great job putting that page togetherimage

    nice pic presentationimage
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    Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,761 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>For Proof coins, there are two rarities - 1939 Rev '40 coins, made from a single die pair, and 1940 Rev '38 coins, also made from a single die pair. >>



    I don't understand why there is a 1940 reverse of '38 if in '39 they made the transition. I guess that '39 transition was only for MS coins? <----- Never mind. I missed this originally: All 1940 nickels (with the exception of some proof coins, noted below) are Rev of '40).

    Also, in keet's pictures above, did they add a step during this transition? >>



    The 1940 Reverse of 1938 striking was probably just a decision to use up a perfectly good leftover die. Nobody cared about varieties back then.
    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ttt.

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