1. This is not a single coin. This is an 8 coin mint set in a pretty tri-fold folder. I usually ship these things in a sturdy (not bubble) mailer, such as a CD or 5 1/4 inch floppy mailer.
~Take the coins out of the tri-fold, use them to pay for postage at post office, (are they US coins?), mail empty tri-fold to buyer.
~It may be for just a few bucks that they are trying to stiff ya with, but it's just the priciple of the whole darn thing that gets to ya.
I am a BUYER, with a double major , and a masters. Now that and 4.50 I can go buy a Starbucks. I am an educated MORON and unimpressed with Most degrees. (ever notice most non physician PHDs are Loons?)
<< <i>2)Packaging $.35 3)Mileage to PO You have to figure this 4)Time to wrap, pack, fill-out the forms and drive to the PO at your hourly rate $x/hour
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Thats kinda lame IMO. Maybe eBay should start a checkoff section where you can "donate" to a seller's vehicle maintenance fund, or a "wear and tear" on his computer fund. >>
You can call it lame - just don't bid on any of my auctions, win, and then b1tch after the fact about "excessive shipping". You sound like every other b1tchy coin nerd.
For the record 9.95 AINT that much shipping and handling.
AZcoinDevil. ..........
It is in comparison to the value of the sale and the item sold and also it is a cost which must be recovered if the owner chooses to resell it on eBay and expect to make a profit. OTOH $9.95 to ship $150 worth of metallic lead aint such a bad deal.
Try a polite email and explain that the shipping charges are not something thats negotiable. I had a similar experience last month where a buyer paid, then emailed me and said he wanted a refund of $2.00 because I was ripping him off on shipping. (insurance and delivery confirmation was mandatory and part of the shipping cost) I politely reminded him of that fact and stated I'd be happy to ship the coin a slower, uninsured, untracked method and would make zero guarantee of it ever arriving lol nor take any responsibility for it. He wrote back, "no big deal buddy, its cool, ship it the way you want it" 2 days later it arrived at his door and i got positive feedback.
<< <i>You can call it lame - just don't bid on any of my auctions, win, and then b1tch after the fact about "excessive shipping". You sound like every other b1tchy coin nerd. >>
WTF makes you think I would do that. If I think yer terms are excessive or unreasonable I don't bid. But you can sleep well tonite cuz there is little to no chance that I will be bidding on your auctions [or anyone else's for that matter].
this could be the lawyer's secretary or office staff instead of a high powered denny crane type. you never know who is buying. was the name allen shore?
would you please let us know how this works out?
you have to pick you fights;i am not sure this is one to put any effort into even though this person is wrong.
you shipping is fine. we all bid less when the shipping is higher.
<< <i>You can call it lame - just don't bid on any of my auctions, win, and then b1tch after the fact about "excessive shipping". You sound like every other b1tchy coin nerd. >>
WTF makes you think I would do that. If I think yer terms are excessive or unreasonable I don't bid. But you can sleep well tonite cuz there is little to no chance that I will be bidding on your auctions [or anyone else's for that matter]. >>
"Have you laughed at yourself today yet; let me do it for you!!"
Today, I received a full payment from the seller with his latest note attached:
This payment includes your $9.95 "1st Class U.S. Mail" shipping rate. I am an attorney and coin dealer and know that it does not cost $9.95 to ship/insure this item via USPS 1st Class Mail. Please refund difference between actual cost and the shipping costs that I paid.
Wow, I'm really impressed now. Not only is he an attorney, but a coin dealer, too.
Think I should get a Signature Guarantee on this one? I have a feeling, this guy wants trouble.
I would have emailed him asking him to remit the balance due and that you would not send the coin until the full payment is received. Sit on his money for a while and if he doesn't come up with the rest, refund the payment and block him. I beleive you can then report him to ebay as a non-paying bidder as their records will show no payment has been made.
I don't know if you plan on sending him back the amount he feels he's entitled to or not. But I think that somehow notifying eBay that you've had some trouble with the buyer would be a good idea. There's a likelihood that he leaves you negative feedback. I'd be sure to save all correspondence between you two to provide eBay in that event. If he should threaten you with negative feedback before doing so he will likely come to regret that misstep as eBay ,makes is very clear on their website that they prohibit threatening other members--
<< <i>Threatening to leave negative or neutral feedback for another member unless the other member provides goods or services not included in the original listing is not permitted. Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:
Listing cancellation
Limits on account privileges
Account suspension
Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
Loss of PowerSeller status
>>
The fact is he bid on the item with the shipping details in black and white. Prior to entering his bid, he hit a button acknowledging terms of sale and expressing his committment toward honoring them. As he's an attorney, I'm sure he's aware of his obligation.
On the other hand, (and I'm sure some of you guys out there who are attorneys are going to give me some flack about this one...)he's an attorney--one who clearly is used to bullying people.
Don't you hate having to deal with this sort of element? Takes some of the fun out of it .
Although, I think the shipping is a bit excessive, I've found that usually your final bid amount is lowered by the amount of the excess shipping so is usually a wash. With that being said, I do not believe he has the right to alter the stated contract after the fact. You have to ask yourself if the 4 bucks is worth a negative feedback, because that is most likely what you will recieve if you push the issue.
JJ
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<< <i>Today, I received a full payment from the seller with his latest note attached:
This payment includes your $9.95 "1st Class U.S. Mail" shipping rate. I am an attorney and coin dealer and know that it does not cost $9.95 to ship/insure this item via USPS 1st Class Mail. Please refund difference between actual cost and the shipping costs that I paid.
Wow, I'm really impressed now. Not only is he an attorney, but a coin dealer, too.
Think I should get a Signature Guarantee on this one? I have a feeling, this guy wants trouble. >>
Get the signature confirmation. This dude is going to want a refund over the difference of what he thinks the set is worth vs what he bid! What a jerk!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>So why does it cost $9.95 to ship a $150 item? Even tho the terms were clearly stated thats way too much for something of that value unless you are using priority mail which is about $2 extra. I would forget the handling crap and unless one is a business, an eBay seller need only recover actual cost of supplies and postage. it seems that you are dealing with someone who is an experienced shipper. I guess I'd probly eat the cost and block him. Maybe he will return it and you can deduct the $4 from his refund. >>
If he sends it First Class, he had to BUY a package to put it in. That is usually $1.50. If he is taping the package shut, he had to BUY tape. If he is driving to the post office, he had to BUY gas.
I've found if I don't have an old envelope from a previous purchase, it cost just as much to send it Priority and use the USPS box, because you will have to buy an envelope anyway. So send in priority and save having to go to the store.
As for this guy, make him pay. Send it priority if you want to use up some of the fees.
<< <i>So why does it cost $9.95 to ship a $150 item? Even tho the terms were clearly stated thats way too much for something of that value unless you are using priority mail which is about $2 extra. I would forget the handling crap and unless one is a business, an eBay seller need only recover actual cost of supplies and postage. it seems that you are dealing with someone who is an experienced shipper. I guess I'd probly eat the cost and block him. Maybe he will return it and you can deduct the $4 from his refund. >>
If he sends it First Class, he had to BUY a package to put it in. That is usually $1.50. If he is taping the package shut, he had to BUY tape. If he is driving to the post office, he had to BUY gas.
I've found if I don't have an old envelope from a previous purchase, it cost just as much to send it Priority and use the USPS box, because you will have to buy an envelope anyway. So send in priority and save having to go to the store.
As for this guy, make him pay. Send it priority if you want to use up some of the fees. >>
Don't forget the packing material. Bubble wrap ain't cheap you know!
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Today, I received a full payment from the seller with his latest note attached:
This payment includes your $9.95 "1st Class U.S. Mail" shipping rate. I am an attorney and coin dealer and know that it does not cost $9.95 to ship/insure this item via USPS 1st Class Mail. Please refund difference between actual cost and the shipping costs that I paid.
Wow, I'm really impressed now. Not only is he an attorney, but a coin dealer, too.
Think I should get a Signature Guarantee on this one? I have a feeling, this guy wants trouble. >>
I like your attitude, an attorney, even if it's true, so what.
Make him sign one of those cards that is returned to you. It cost a buck or two, but it'll probably pi$$ him off.
I'd suggest going with signature confirmation, return receipt, etc. and itemize all the stuff down to the last penny and come up with the $9.95 or maybe come up with $9.94 and give him a check for a penny.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
If he sends it First Class, he had to BUY a package to put it in. That is usually $1.50. If he is taping the package shut, he had to BUY tape. If he is driving to the post office, he had to BUY gas. ......
IF he had to do all that is one thing. Many people re-use packing materials. How much of that $2 roll of tape did he use? 2 cents worth. If he was going by the post office anyways where is the extra wear and tear on his vehicle? If he was packing my item during a commercial or pitching change in the game tonite [assuming no rainout] then he better not have the nads to charge me for his precious time. Some people do buy supplies and I have no gripe with them recovering out of pocket costs but for a casual seller to start grasping at straws about chintzy little "expenses" is LAME!! I've mailed enough stuff to know when a seller is blowin smoke up my ass about his expenses and when he aint. Apparently this buyer did too but since he bid knowing what the terms were he shud just shut up and pay up. If he can't or won't read the terms then he has no one to blame but himself.
<< <i>I'd suggest going with signature confirmation, return receipt, etc. and itemize all the stuff down to the last penny and come up with the $9.95 or maybe come up with $9.94 and give him a check for a penny. >>
Heck, I would make the costs add up to $10.50 and include a bill for $1.55 asking him to please remit the difference.
<< <i>Heck, I would make the costs add up to $10.50 and include a bill for $1.55 asking him to please remit the difference. >>
Then he'll say a contract is a contract...
I have better things to do than play games with this clown. He'll get his coins, shipped well-packaged and timely, with deliv confirmation and signature guarantee. Hopefully that will be the end of it. A lawyer should know better than trying to dish out such petty BS. If I get my first neg, so be it. It won't matter with 700+ positives, but you can be sure I won't be leaving feedback first!
<< <i>I'd suggest going with signature confirmation, return receipt, etc. and itemize all the stuff down to the last penny and come up with the $9.95 or maybe come up with $9.94 and give him a check for a penny. >>
Heck, I would make the costs add up to $10.50 and include a bill for $1.55 asking him to please remit the difference. >>
An attorney bought a coin from me on eBay (coin "A"). He paid and I shipped him the coin. I left positive feedback when I received payment, and he left me positive feedback when he received the coin. About two weeks later, he bought another coin from me on eBay (coin "B"). Again I left positive feedback and shipped him Coin "B." He received that coin and then proceeded to write me a nasty e-mail saying that he really liked coin "B" but did not like coin "A" which he had bought two weeks earlier. He threatened me that he would leave negative feedback on coin "B" and "ruin my perfect feedback" if I did not allow him to return coin "A" and refund his full purchase price.
I readily agreed to refund his purchase of coin "A" because I don't want someone buying one of my coins when they don't like it. I asked him why he was so hostile, and he said "I didn't have any recourse on coin "A" and I needed some leverage on you." The butthead could have just asked me if he could return the coin, and I would have done it without all of the threats.
Jeez!!!!
By the way, I haven't practiced law actively in many years, but I did dust off a piece of old letterhead and sent him his refund wrapped in it. He e-mailed me later and said, "oh, I see you are an attorney too!"
Comments
~Take the coins out of the tri-fold, use them to pay for postage at post office, (are they US coins?), mail empty tri-fold to buyer.
~It may be for just a few bucks that they are trying to stiff ya with, but it's just the priciple of the whole darn thing that gets to ya.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
How dare you call me a...a..... Lawyer...!
AZcoinDevil
<< <i>2)Packaging $.35
3)Mileage to PO You have to figure this
4)Time to wrap, pack, fill-out the forms and drive to the PO at your hourly rate $x/hour
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Thats kinda lame IMO. Maybe eBay should start a checkoff section where you can "donate" to a seller's vehicle maintenance fund, or a "wear and tear" on his computer fund. >>
You can call it lame - just don't bid on any of my auctions, win, and then b1tch after the fact about "excessive shipping". You sound like every other b1tchy coin nerd.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
AZcoinDevil.
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It is in comparison to the value of the sale and the item sold and also it is a cost which must be recovered if the owner chooses to resell it on eBay and expect to make a profit. OTOH $9.95 to ship $150 worth of metallic lead aint such a bad deal.
I politely reminded him of that fact and stated I'd be happy to ship the coin a slower, uninsured, untracked method and would make zero guarantee of it ever arriving lol nor take any responsibility for it.
He wrote back, "no big deal buddy, its cool, ship it the way you want it" 2 days later it arrived at his door and i got positive feedback.
cheers
Leo
<< <i>You can call it lame - just don't bid on any of my auctions, win, and then b1tch after the fact about "excessive shipping". You sound like every other b1tchy coin nerd. >>
WTF makes you think I would do that. If I think yer terms are excessive or unreasonable I don't bid. But you can sleep well tonite cuz there is little to no chance that I will be bidding on your auctions [or anyone else's for that matter].
Your 100% shines like a beacon!
Let him have his way and then take his praise and move on.
Block him and he's out of YOUR life.
Gil
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
would you please let us know how this works out?
you have to pick you fights;i am not sure this is one to put any effort into even though this person is wrong.
you shipping is fine. we all bid less when the shipping is higher.
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<< <i>You can call it lame - just don't bid on any of my auctions, win, and then b1tch after the fact about "excessive shipping". You sound like every other b1tchy coin nerd. >>
WTF makes you think I would do that. If I think yer terms are excessive or unreasonable I don't bid. But you can sleep well tonite cuz there is little to no chance that I will be bidding on your auctions [or anyone else's for that matter]. >>
"Have you laughed at yourself today yet; let me do it for you!!"
No! No! Me first!
Like I said...
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
This payment includes your $9.95 "1st Class U.S. Mail" shipping rate. I am an attorney and coin dealer and know that it does not cost $9.95 to ship/insure this item via USPS 1st Class Mail. Please refund difference between actual cost and the shipping costs that I paid.
Wow, I'm really impressed now. Not only is he an attorney, but a coin dealer, too.
Think I should get a Signature Guarantee on this one? I have a feeling, this guy wants trouble.
to the printer ink used to make the invoice to come up with a figure to $9.95
I don't know if you plan on sending him back the amount he feels he's entitled to or not. But I think that somehow notifying eBay that you've had some trouble with the buyer would be a good idea. There's a likelihood that he leaves you negative feedback. I'd be sure to save all correspondence between you two to provide eBay in that event. If he should threaten you with negative feedback before doing so he will likely come to regret that misstep as eBay ,makes is very clear on their website that they prohibit threatening other members--
<< <i>Threatening to leave negative or neutral feedback for another member unless the other member provides goods or services not included in the original listing is not permitted. Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:
Listing cancellation
Limits on account privileges
Account suspension
Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
Loss of PowerSeller status
>>
The fact is he bid on the item with the shipping details in black and white. Prior to entering his bid, he hit a button acknowledging terms of sale and expressing his committment toward honoring them. As he's an attorney, I'm sure he's aware of his obligation.
On the other hand, (and I'm sure some of you guys out there who are attorneys are going to give me some flack about this one...)he's an attorney--one who clearly is used to bullying people.
Don't you hate having to deal with this sort of element? Takes some of the fun out of it .
Best of luck with this situation!
JJ
<< <i>Today, I received a full payment from the seller with his latest note attached:
This payment includes your $9.95 "1st Class U.S. Mail" shipping rate. I am an attorney and coin dealer and know that it does not cost $9.95 to ship/insure this item via USPS 1st Class Mail. Please refund difference between actual cost and the shipping costs that I paid.
Wow, I'm really impressed now. Not only is he an attorney, but a coin dealer, too.
Think I should get a Signature Guarantee on this one? I have a feeling, this guy wants trouble. >>
Get the signature confirmation. This dude is going to want a refund over the difference of what he thinks the set is worth vs what he bid! What a jerk!
The name is LEE!
<< <i>So why does it cost $9.95 to ship a $150 item? Even tho the terms were clearly stated thats way too much for something of that value unless you are using priority mail which is about $2 extra. I would forget the handling crap and unless one is a business, an eBay seller need only recover actual cost of supplies and postage. it seems that you are dealing with someone who is an experienced shipper. I guess I'd probly eat the cost and block him. Maybe he will return it and you can deduct the $4 from his refund. >>
If he sends it First Class, he had to BUY a package to put it in. That is usually $1.50.
If he is taping the package shut, he had to BUY tape.
If he is driving to the post office, he had to BUY gas.
I've found if I don't have an old envelope from a previous purchase, it cost just as much to send it Priority and use the USPS box, because you will have to buy an envelope anyway. So send in priority and save having to go to the store.
As for this guy, make him pay. Send it priority if you want to use up some of the fees.
<< <i>
<< <i>So why does it cost $9.95 to ship a $150 item? Even tho the terms were clearly stated thats way too much for something of that value unless you are using priority mail which is about $2 extra. I would forget the handling crap and unless one is a business, an eBay seller need only recover actual cost of supplies and postage. it seems that you are dealing with someone who is an experienced shipper. I guess I'd probly eat the cost and block him. Maybe he will return it and you can deduct the $4 from his refund. >>
If he sends it First Class, he had to BUY a package to put it in. That is usually $1.50.
If he is taping the package shut, he had to BUY tape.
If he is driving to the post office, he had to BUY gas.
I've found if I don't have an old envelope from a previous purchase, it cost just as much to send it Priority and use the USPS box, because you will have to buy an envelope anyway. So send in priority and save having to go to the store.
As for this guy, make him pay. Send it priority if you want to use up some of the fees. >>
Don't forget the packing material. Bubble wrap ain't cheap you know!
The name is LEE!
<< <i>Today, I received a full payment from the seller with his latest note attached:
This payment includes your $9.95 "1st Class U.S. Mail" shipping rate. I am an attorney and coin dealer and know that it does not cost $9.95 to ship/insure this item via USPS 1st Class Mail. Please refund difference between actual cost and the shipping costs that I paid.
Wow, I'm really impressed now. Not only is he an attorney, but a coin dealer, too.
Think I should get a Signature Guarantee on this one? I have a feeling, this guy wants trouble. >>
I like your attitude, an attorney, even if it's true, so what.
Make him sign one of those cards that is returned to you. It cost a buck or two, but it'll probably pi$$ him off.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
If he is taping the package shut, he had to BUY tape.
If he is driving to the post office, he had to BUY gas.
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IF he had to do all that is one thing. Many people re-use packing materials. How much of that $2 roll of tape did he use? 2 cents worth. If he was going by the post office anyways where is the extra wear and tear on his vehicle? If he was packing my item during a commercial or pitching change in the game tonite [assuming no rainout] then he better not have the nads to charge me for his precious time. Some people do buy supplies and I have no gripe with them recovering out of pocket costs but for a casual seller to start grasping at straws about chintzy little "expenses" is LAME!! I've mailed enough stuff to know when a seller is blowin smoke up my ass about his expenses and when he aint. Apparently this buyer did too but since he bid knowing what the terms were he shud just shut up and pay up. If he can't or won't read the terms then he has no one to blame but himself.
<< <i>dang....i guess you time , effort , supplies are worth nothing!
ask him if he charges his customers a "preparation" fee!
p.s. not to mention the risk you take in traffic to get it to the post office!.....people like that piss me off!! >>
what does a lawyer "sell" besides his time...........BLOCKED!
<< <i>I'd suggest going with signature confirmation, return receipt, etc. and itemize all the stuff down to the last penny and come up with the $9.95 or maybe come up with $9.94 and give him a check for a penny. >>
Heck, I would make the costs add up to $10.50 and include a bill for $1.55 asking him to please remit the difference.
<< <i>Heck, I would make the costs add up to $10.50 and include a bill for $1.55 asking him to please remit the difference.
Then he'll say a contract is a contract...
I have better things to do than play games with this clown. He'll get his coins, shipped well-packaged and timely, with deliv confirmation and signature guarantee. Hopefully that will be the end of it. A lawyer should know better than trying to dish out such petty BS. If I get my first neg, so be it. It won't matter with 700+ positives, but you can be sure I won't be leaving feedback first!
<< <i>
<< <i>I'd suggest going with signature confirmation, return receipt, etc. and itemize all the stuff down to the last penny and come up with the $9.95 or maybe come up with $9.94 and give him a check for a penny. >>
Heck, I would make the costs add up to $10.50 and include a bill for $1.55 asking him to please remit the difference.
Both good suggestions.
<< <i>A lawyer should know better than trying to dish out such petty BS. >>
Are you new?
Russ, NCNE
An attorney bought a coin from me on eBay (coin "A"). He paid and I shipped him the coin. I left positive feedback when I received payment, and he left me positive feedback when he received the coin. About two weeks later, he bought another coin from me on eBay (coin "B"). Again I left positive feedback and shipped him Coin "B." He received that coin and then proceeded to write me a nasty e-mail saying that he really liked coin "B" but did not like coin "A" which he had bought two weeks earlier. He threatened me that he would leave negative feedback on coin "B" and "ruin my perfect feedback" if I did not allow him to return coin "A" and refund his full purchase price.
I readily agreed to refund his purchase of coin "A" because I don't want someone buying one of my coins when they don't like it. I asked him why he was so hostile, and he said "I didn't have any recourse on coin "A" and I needed some leverage on you." The butthead could have just asked me if he could return the coin, and I would have done it without all of the threats.
Jeez!!!!
By the way, I haven't practiced law actively in many years, but I did dust off a piece of old letterhead and sent him his refund wrapped in it. He e-mailed me later and said, "oh, I see you are an attorney too!"
What a putz!!!!!
Jonathan