Speaking of 09S Indians........

relicsncoins · October 26, 2006 8:08AM

If these images are acurate and it's real, this coin looks pretty darn nice. The only thing that really concerns me, is why this coin wouldn't be in plastic by now.

JJ

Pretty Nice.....I think?

drwstr123 · October 26, 2006 8:18AM

It is nice. Why its not slabbed, I don't know. Several years age I bought a 1917 Lincon from them (raw) described potentionally as a 65 red. It slabbed at PCGS as a 64RD. I think it's one of the most beautiful 64's ever.

tjkillian · October 26, 2006 8:19AM

It really does look GREAT. It appears to have thick, natural skin. I've heard of folks taking a risk on a 1899 cent that looked similar and bid it up to $240, submitted it to PCGS and it came back MS-67RED.

It is curious why it is not in plastic, if real.
Tom

bigtime36 · October 26, 2006 8:21AM

I think I saw the same one on there and wondered the same thing myself, key date and way to nice not to be slabbed...

CaptainRon · October 26, 2006 8:39AM

Tom, do you know if that 1899 was sold with the rest of his collection (It was Laks right?). If so, can anyone dig up a picture of what it looks like now, or at least what it looked like some time after it had been graded.

Thanks
Ron

Bruceswar · October 26, 2006 8:48AM

That coin is smoking! If I had the money I would buy it no questions asked. It would go nice into my raw Indian Cent Set. I am not the least bit worried it is not slabbed. 100% of the coins out there are not slabbed. A key coin not being slabbed is not all that uncommon. Just walk a show and look around.

Barndog · October 26, 2006 8:48AM

many beautiful and authentic coins are still available raw

relicsncoins · October 26, 2006 9:28AM

The coin is priced at about 64R money. If you were lucky and got it to slab at 65R money, you would nearly double your money. That's one of the reasons I questioned this coin in the first place.......If it were mine, I sure would take the chance on making an extra 2 grand for the nominal slabbing fee.

JJ

relicsncoins · October 26, 2006 9:54AM

Hey Rick.........What's your oppinion? Of course we know that anyone's oppinion can only be as acurate as the photos.

JJ

EagleEye · October 26, 2006 10:06AM

Looks beautiful A bit weak on the feathers, but looks natural and a gem to me.

a039 · October 26, 2006 11:54AM

Is it just my monitor or does the coin look gold in the image not copper color?

CaptainRon · October 26, 2006 12:00PM

Copper will come in many hues/colors. I believe Shylock (Not a 100%) has an excellant photograph showing the many of the differant colors that RED IHC's can show.

a039 · October 26, 2006 12:11PM

Very cute Beagles, ours was eaten by a Mountain Lion in our backyard. She was trained in agility and her name was Lily...

mozeppa · October 26, 2006 12:17PM

does look nice.

a039 · October 26, 2006 1:03PM

We have a buyer---flyguy181

relicsncoins · October 26, 2006 1:08PM

I was very tempted to buy it. Oh well, I sure would be curious to see it get's sent it and what it grades.

JJ

SDSportsFan · October 26, 2006 1:10PM

Damn, I never knew they made cents out of gold! That coin is SMOKIN!!!!!

Steve

Loki · October 26, 2006 1:18PM

I was very tempted to buy this coin last time it was up for sale but passed (mostly due to shooting my budget on a couple of AGE sets lol)

I researched Heritage auction archives to see pics of PCGS 64 thru 66 reds to get a sense where this one most likely stood in PCGS's eyes.
Every PCGS 65 RD that I saw had better feather detail than this one, with the luster on this coin mostly surpassing the 65s.
Color was also on par with 65's, and spotting was above average as well.

If I were a betting man, and I am, I would bet it would slab PCGS 64RD based on my limited Heritage pic observations.
The buyer in my opinion got a PQ MS64 RD which is basically on par with the seller's asking price based on Heritage's recent realized auction prices.
I believe getting it into a 65 holder would be a long shot (lack of feather details).

Edited to say: Congrates to FlyGuy, it would have been mine if not for my temporary AGE set money drain

BBQnBLUES · October 26, 2006 2:06PM

<< That coin is smoking! If I had the money I would buy it no questions asked. It would go nice into my raw Indian Cent Set. I am not the least bit worried it is not slabbed. 100% of the coins out there are not slabbed. A key coin not being slabbed is not all that uncommon. Just walk a show and look around. >>

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Couldn't have said it Better

Glad to see others like to put together collections Not encapuslated.

Bruceswar · October 26, 2006 2:22PM

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<< That coin is smoking! If I had the money I would buy it no questions asked. It would go nice into my raw Indian Cent Set. I am not the least bit worried it is not slabbed. 100% of the coins out there are not slabbed. A key coin not being slabbed is not all that uncommon. Just walk a show and look around. >>

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Couldn't have said it Better

Glad to see others like to put together collections Not encapuslated. >>

I love raw sets. My high grade quarter set is all raw. Mainly MS65 and up.

Agflyer · October 27, 2006 5:41AM

The coin looked great to me as well. . . so I bought it. I'm putting together a 20th century key date type set and I think this one will fit nicely. If it looks as good in person I think I'm in for a treat. Anyways, I'll update this thread when I get it.

66RB · October 27, 2006 5:44AM

<< 100% of the coins out there are not slabbed. >>

I don't get it

Geoman · October 27, 2006 5:50AM

I know this seller personally, and he doesn't do slabbed coins normally. So I can easily see him not "putting it in plastic" so to speak.

Jcarney · October 27, 2006 6:11AM

<< 100% of the coins out there are not slabbed. >>

Then what ARE those things in the slabs?

majorbigtime · October 27, 2006 10:50AM

SHE HAS ZITS!

ziggy29 · October 27, 2006 12:16PM

<< SHE HAS ZITS! >>

I'd still take her. The '09-S is all I need to finish my IHC collection. Granted, I'm collecting EF/AU Indians, but I still wouldn't turn her down. I'd trade her in for a nice AU '09-S and have fun with the other $2-3K left over!

SDSportsFan · October 27, 2006 12:40PM

<< SHE HAS ZITS! >>

No; she has a mole, but so does Cindy Crawford

Steve

Agflyer · November 17, 2006 11:11AM

Well, the verdict is in. The "dimple" spot isn't nearly as noticeable in person and the coin is very nice with screaming luster and a descent strike for a 09-s. I just got it back from PCGS and they gave it an MS64 Red. I sent it in thinking that it had a good shot at a 65, though it is a beautiful 64. Over all I'm happy with it.

relicsncoins · November 17, 2006 11:41AM

Sorry you didn't get it in a 65R holder, but either way it looks spectacular, and congrats on owning a beautiful coin.

JJ

NumisOxide · November 17, 2006 11:44AM

Agflyer,

Congrats. That's a very nice MS64 example.

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braddick · November 17, 2006 12:04PM

"Here is my newbe take. If the seller already sent it in and found out it wouldn't go into 65RED holder, isn't it better for the seller to put its best pic on ebay and let the buyer think that he/she could hopefully go into a 65RED holder, so the buyer then pays top 64RED money or possibly low 65RED money and take the gamble. I just don't believe for a minute that this seller never sent it into pcgs multiple times to see if it would go 65RED, and that is why she never holdered it. Just my dumb ass opinion. There is always a reason for things, and she ain't stupid"

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I disagree.
If the seller had the thinking logic you laid out she would have left it in the PCGS MS64 RED holder with buyers knowing the coin was at least that and a possible crack-out MS65 RED.

The price would have been higher because there would have been no downside and lots of upside.
The coin raw, although offering upside also offered the risk (downside) of being possibly whizzed/cleaned/recolored and not holdering.
Raw would have kept some potential bidders away but holdered would have had more hits and more collectors (dealers?) willing to take a chance the coin would upgrade.

relicsncoins · November 17, 2006 12:13PM

Not to be off topic here, but that gif of yours braddick is damned funny.

JJ

RichieURich · November 17, 2006 12:19PM

<< Not to be off topic here, but that gif of yours braddick is damned funny.

JJ >>

Braddick, is that a "quarter horse"? Or a "half horse"?

braddick · November 17, 2006 12:35PM

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<< Not to be off topic here, but that gif of yours braddick is damned funny. JJ >>

Braddick, is that a "quarter horse"? Or a "half horse"? >>

Sadly, soon to be a

as I've been told in a "polite" PM the file is too big!

majorbigtime · November 18, 2006 12:31AM

<< Looks beautiful A bit weak on the feathers, but looks natural and a gem to me.

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Can't you see the zits (spots) on the cheek, neck, etc.???

coppercoins · November 18, 2006 2:43AM

They probably need to work on the color of their photography, it looks somewhat unnatural...but I believe the coin to be natural, the surface texture looks right.

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