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When did they start putting coins into paper rolls?

Anyone know? Thanks.
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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    When they ran out of shrink wrap plastic. image
  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    I remember a dealer writing about buying "original rolls" of silver 3 cent pieces back in the 1960's, but I'm wodering if his memory was clouded by doobie-ous influences.
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Thats a good question, they must have had rolls before bags, did you actually get a bag of large cents?--BigE
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  • I asked this question some time ago with no satisfactory answers.I hope you have more success, as I have pondered this subject for some time.image
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  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thats a good question, they must have had rolls before bags, did you actually get a bag of large cents?--BigE >>



    From what I've read, early large cents were shipped in wooden kegs. "Keggers" must have had an entirely different meaning at early American frat parties.
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  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    I have alway's just assumed around 1900 is when paper rolls were started to be used on a regular basis. I can't remember where I picked this up or even if it's accurate but that's what i got in my mind. Maybe someone will know for sure? mike image
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sure it goes back to the 19th century, but I have no evidence to back that up. I have often wondered the same thing, myself.

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  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    I was going to ask this, but did a search and found this thread

    I was wondering because of Seth's original bankroll of trade dollars in China post


    silver dollars the mint kept in bags

    have rolls always been a bank and store sort of thing?


    how can you tell if the roll was rolled the year of issue? or someone put them in many years later?


    any patent lawyers who can do a quick search to see when paper coin rolls were invented?


  • << <i>Thats a good question, they must have had rolls before bags, did you actually get a bag of large cents?-- >>


    Before bags they had Kegs. I'm not sure where rolls came into the picture. I have heard of but not seen rolls of half dimes, and three cent nickels. So if that was true, then they could go back to at least 1873.
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    that is vey cool ss350camero

    but it doesn't say when it was rolled ->

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    In 1929, the company merged with the First Seattle Dexter Horton National Bank and in 1931 adopted the original name First National Bank of Seattle.

    In 1935, the company changed its name to Seattle-First National Bank.

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    In 1999, Seafirst Bank changed its name to Bank of America





    according to the bank history above, it must have been rolled 1935 or later to have that name printed on the roll

    are you going to ever open it to see what dates/mintmarks are included? or do you feel they are all the same date/mm? (which may be the case)
  • MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    I just did a quick patent search and found that they already had machines to wrap them in paper by 1902. They probably did them by hand before then though. The patent I found is 691435 Coin Counting, Registering and Wrapping Device, Patented Jan 21, 1902 by C.S. Batdorf . Go here Link and click on Images to see it for yourself (if you have the right kind of viewer on your computer, if not it tells you where to download it from for free if you click on help if the images don't load).
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This was the style of the paper roll patented May 31, 1921.

    As you can see this was not a shotgun style of roll in that it was a diagonally cut paper rolled over the edge to create the "roll effect."

    This style of paper roll was popular until the 1930's.


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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> This was the style of the paper roll patented May 31, 1921. >>



    Oreville,
    That's a great piece of Numismatic ephemora.

    I do recall an "original bank wrapped roll" of Indian cents being sold some year ago. Supposedly, the coins were spotted pretty heavily when opened.

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  • MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    I just did one more patent search and the oldest one I can find for a paper coin wrapper is 574,546 - Money Wrapper and Counter Patented Jan. 5, 1897 . Here is a link to it Link to 574,546 . Just click on Images to view it.
  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was going through some old literature prior to junking most of it, and I found this listing. From "The New England Report" published by New England Rare Coins Galleries, Vol. I, Nos. 3-4 1983. No picture, unfortunately.

    "
    An Original Roll of Copper-Nickel Indians
    The Copper-Nickel Indian Cent had a short-lived minting existence from 1860 until 1964 [sic!] when it was replaced by the bronze composition. The collecting of small cents was unheard of in the 1860's and very few choice Mint State examples of this type remain for today's numismatic fraternity. While original rolls of later dates (especially from 1895 until 1909) do surface with some frequency, often years pass until an original roll of the Copper-Nickel variety is discovered. To your and our good fortune, we have recently acquired an original paper-wrapped roll of 1863 Copper-Nickel Indian Cents. We have chosen the finest 8 examples, grading Mint State-65, and we herewith offer them. As astute students realize, the Copper-Nickel coinage of this era in Mint State-65 quality is actually more scarce than the silver issues although the latter are priced at much higher levels. For nearly three years now, it has come to the discernment of the numismatic community that the Flying Eagle and Copper-Nickel Indian Cents are, for the rarity, two of the most underpriced type coins. We note that a recent newsletter crossed our desks projecting that the 1863 MS-65 Indian Cent will be worth $5000 by 1987. Although we find this to be a bit optimistic and generally do not agree with the practice of projecting future prices for rare coins, nothing would please us more if this were to come to pass. Of course, the next owners of these little jewels would be equally pleased.

    1863 COPPER-NICKEL INDIAN CENT, MS-65, spcially priced at wholesale BID level
    $975. each
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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    papyrus?
  • Surprise--They're putting coins in everything. See eBay 140044601934
  • During my years of collecting shield nickels, I encountered two stories of original bank rolls (or paper wrapped rolls) of shield nickels - one dated 1883, the other 1868 !! The stories were credible, as the coins I examined were absolutely matched in die pairings and die states - something that is obvious on shield nickels, a series in which the dies were distinctive, and deteriorated rapidly.

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  • In his book Matthew Boulton and the Industrialization of Money, Richard Doty relates that Boutlon wrapped his coins in rouleaus (rolls) before packing them in kegs for shipping. A partial roll in the original wrapping was in the Matthew Boulton collection that was sold a couple years ago. I haven't seen it (but I know who has it), so I don't know if they used paper or something else for the wrapper.

    Oh, that would be late 1780's early 1790's.

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