How many are trying the Taco Bell Napkin?

Bruceswar · September 27, 2006 2:11PM

How many people have coins in it? I know people are trying it. Anybody care to share the results?

garsmith · September 27, 2006 2:21PM

Why not just marinate the coins in TB hot sauce!

Newb · September 27, 2006 2:23PM

I am but it's only been since 9/1 - updates will follow!

Bruceswar · September 27, 2006 2:30PM

<< Why not just marinate the coins in TB hot sauce! >>

Pass

Coxe · September 27, 2006 3:05PM

I have about a hundred SAEs from 1995. Maybe I'll mess with one or two for yucks. They are just bullion nonsense anyway.

BlindedByEgo · September 27, 2006 3:07PM

You should realize that any discussion of AT at this point in time is in extremely poor taste. Please leave this to the professionals.

Coxe · September 27, 2006 3:13PM

Anyone who buys a modern coin (or non-coin bullion) as a genuine album-toned monster at a premium is a complete idiot.

Myqqy · September 27, 2006 4:36PM

I've put a few proof coins in some taco bell napkins...... I couldn't resist. But I don't think anything has happened yet.....

Bruceswar · September 27, 2006 5:24PM

<< I've put a few proof coins in some taco bell napkins...... I couldn't resist. But I don't think anything has happened yet.....

>>

It is temping eh?

SlangNRox · September 27, 2006 6:10PM

Do Mcdonalds Napkins or Jack In The Box napkins also work?

Bruceswar · September 27, 2006 6:42PM

<< Do Mcdonalds Napkins or Jack In The Box napkins also work? >>

Nope, not that I know of. I hear Wendy's napkins do.

USCGCraig · September 27, 2006 9:59PM

I'm trying three proof Kennedy halfs I found in rolls. 2 are copper nickel and the 3rd is a 405 silver from 1976. I figure I am not going to harm them anymore then what they suffered in circulation. Will be interesting to see what happens to proofs as well as the 40% silver.

I also have a couple of older coins that are cleaned. Might tone them just bit to see how they look.

BAJJERFAN · September 27, 2006 10:06PM

I have a couple of white BU common Morgans to try for chits n giggles. I'm kinda thinkin that after all this time the surfaces might be too passive for anything serious to happen but we will see.

Jcarney · September 27, 2006 10:09PM

I've had an SAE in one for a couple months. I checked it a week ago and nothing.

eyoung429 · September 27, 2006 10:28PM

pbfloyd · September 27, 2006 10:29PM

I put a silver eagle in one and put it on my window ledge. Been 6 weeks and no change

jimjenson · September 27, 2006 10:44PM

<< You should realize that any discussion of AT at this point in time is in extremely poor taste. Please leave this to the professionals.

>>

Any discussion of Taco Bell is also in extremely poor taste.

BAJJERFAN · September 27, 2006 10:58PM

Actualy I like Taco Bell; at least here its pretty decent.

kryptonitecomics · September 27, 2006 10:58PM

I have a CBH in a Wendy's napkin........

I'll take a picture tonight and post it......I think it's basically turned black now....

sweetwilliet · September 27, 2006 11:08PM

Would Taco Bell napkin toning be considered AT? How about if you had a coin already toning and just stuck it in the napkin to push it along? We'll see how things go.

Leiana · September 27, 2006 11:10PM

<< Would Taco Bell napkin toning be considered AT? How about if you had a coin already toning and just stuck it in the napkin to push it along? We'll see how things go.

>>

Yes and yes.

To me, at least.

-Amanda

ziggy29 · September 27, 2006 11:28PM

<< Would Taco Bell napkin toning be considered AT? How about if you had a coin already toning and just stuck it in the napkin to push it along? We'll see how things go. >>

The complicated factor is that wrapping coins in tissue paper, Kleenex, and what have you is a long-established way many people protected coins from damage. For most of history, this wasn't done with any intent to tone the surfaces -- merely to prevent dings, fingerprints, et cetera.

So I would think if someone took, say, an AU to mint state 1905 coin and put it tissue paper to protect it for generations, and by 1970 you had something nicely toned, we'd consider it "NT."

So does this mean that some types of wrapping coins in paper to preserve them are NT, depending on what type of paper it was, how long ago it was done, and the intent of the person wrapping the coin in paper?

To me that's the reason this NT/AT debate has a large component of subjectivity to it -- just like grading itself.

sweetwilliet · September 27, 2006 11:51PM

Ziggy29, your comments were my thoughts exactly. There is blatant AT, then questionable AT, then likely NT, more of a continuum than a distinct yes/no, and yes, there is a lot of subjectivity. Some may argue it's based on intent, but noone could ever know the intent of the prior owner/owners of all coins, so that is out the window.

TwoKopeiki · September 28, 2006 12:38AM

You are doing this with intent is to tone the coin - it's AT. You can try and justify it any way you want to make yourself feel better about it, but the fact remains.

2K

SkyMan · September 28, 2006 12:52AM

Just wondering. My understanding of one of the problems of AT is that you've accelerated the whole toning aspect, e.g. the toning is not stable and even after the coin is withdrawn from the heat and/or chemical environment the coins toning will proceed relatively quickly towards a dark or black appearance. Does anyone know how stable the toning is on coins that have been put in a TB napkin once the coins have been removed from the napkin?

ziggy29 · September 28, 2006 12:56AM

<< You are doing this with intent is to tone the coin - it's AT. You can try and justify it any way you want to make yourself feel better about it, but the fact remains. >>

I agree morally, but in terms of evaluating the toning, the chemistry doesn't change because of the intent -- whether it was unintentional or intentional, the same conditions and environment will produce similar colors.

Someone who *knows* the coin was intentionally toned like that might feel morally obligated to not sell coins like this, but a third party who doesn't know the intent can only go by whether or not the toning looks like it could have realistically resulted from a lengthy, unintentional progression of color based on reasonable, established storage methods and environments.

As for intent being the factor -- if someone put a coin in a Wayte Raymond holder 50 years ago and took it out toned 20 years later, it's NT because they never intended the result, but if someone did it NOW because they wanted toning, and they got the same results after 20 years, that would be AT?

This is what I mean by the idea that this entire debate has SOME level of subjectivity to it, and as another replied, it almost feels like there's a "continuum", an entire spectrum if you will, with obvious AT on one end, almost certain NT on the other end, and all points in between.

relicsncoins · September 28, 2006 12:56AM

I've found for me at least that a piece of toilen paper (no, not used) seems to work better than the napkin method. Here is an 1877 S quarter that was polished white. It's now been in the toilet paper for about 4 or 5 months.

JJ

bushmaster8 · September 28, 2006 2:20AM

<< Just wondering. My understanding of one of the problems of AT is that you've accelerated the whole toning aspect, e.g. the toning is not stable and even after the coin is withdrawn from the heat and/or chemical environment the coins toning will proceed relatively quickly towards a dark or black appearance. Does anyone know how stable the toning is on coins that have been put in a TB napkin once the coins have been removed from the napkin? >>

Paper induced toning should be very stable. The unstable AT's are produced by less innocent, more chemical means.

Coxe · September 29, 2006 11:16AM

OK. I went to a Taco Bell today and grabbed a handful of napkins. Figured it would make for interesting experimentation with some cheap common raw coins I have around. Here are some candidates I was considering as they were all common, cheap, under 20 bucks each (most way less) when I bought them and are problem-free. Might do them all. Any suggestion on ones I should not bother with? I don't think it will be harming the future of numismatics.

1883 No Cents Liberty 5c MS63
1937-S 10c MS60
1946-S 25c MS64
1955-D 25c MS63
1956 25c PF65
1948-D 50c MS63
1958 50c PF67CAM
1995 SAE MS

majorbigtime · September 29, 2006 11:17AM

I'm experimenting with Kotex.

Coxe · September 29, 2006 11:18AM

<< I'm experimenting with Kotex. >>

Now aren't we coin collectors a different bunch. LOL. Couldn't resist.

Musky1011 · September 29, 2006 12:25PM

<< I'm experimenting with Kotex. >>

Just don't try to swallow them

Jim

ABC123 · September 29, 2006 12:32PM

Even if you are successful, you still will not be considered a full-fledged Coin Doctor !

frankieboywonder · September 29, 2006 12:38PM

Actually went to Taco Bell with the intent of getting a napkin or two and trying out this toning experiment.

But, made a mess of myself eating a burrito, so had to use the several napkins I had to clean myself up.

Oh well, perhaps next trip!

ccr · September 29, 2006 12:38PM

Why Taco Bell napkins?

Grocery bags or any other brown bag would do. They work too.

Bruceswar · October 18, 2006 6:13PM

<< Just wondering. My understanding of one of the problems of AT is that you've accelerated the whole toning aspect, e.g. the toning is not stable and even after the coin is withdrawn from the heat and/or chemical environment the coins toning will proceed relatively quickly towards a dark or black appearance. Does anyone know how stable the toning is on coins that have been put in a TB napkin once the coins have been removed from the napkin? >>

The coin has been out for some time and not one once of change. Toning looks very stable!

razorface1027 · October 18, 2006 6:15PM

I put mine in a Taco Bell napkin 2 weeks ago (2 coins, 2 seperate napkins). However, I stored them in a U.S.Mint coin bag and put them in a metal filing cabinet drawer. Let's see if it works.

Thanks for the idea.

My guinea pig coins are 50-D/S Wash quarter in 64 and a 64 Kennedy half in 63. Both have excellent luster.

Tom

Bruceswar · October 18, 2006 6:41PM

<< I put mine in a Taco Bell napkin 2 weeks ago (2 coins, 2 seperate napkins). However, I stored them in a U.S.Mint coin bag and put them in a metal filing cabinet drawer. Let's see if it works.

Thanks for the idea.

My guinea pig coins are 50-D/S Wash quarter in 64 and a 64 Kennedy half in 63. Both have excellent luster.

Tom >>

Tom I think you have the coin with the most value in a napkin! 50 D/S is not a cheap coin. Good Luck!

razorface1027 · October 18, 2006 6:50PM

Tom I think you have the coin with the most value in a napkin! 50 D/S is not a cheap coin. Good Luck!

Oh yeah!

Can't wait to see the outcome. Actually, I forgot all about it until I saw this thread; otherwise, I'd be farting around with it too much and screwing up the process (timewise that is). Patience isn't a virtue with me.

Tom

WoodenJefferson · October 18, 2006 8:11PM

Ohhhhhhhhh!!!! The napkin? No wonder I wasn't getting any tone.

Outhaul · October 18, 2006 9:05PM

<< Do Mcdonalds Napkins or Jack In The Box napkins also work?

Nope, not that I know of. I hear Wendy's napkins do. >>

Actually, Wendy's napkins will leave a fingerprint...

Cheers,

Bob

guitarwes · October 19, 2006 1:44AM

I've had 6 coins wrapped in ZAXBY's napkins for about 6 weeks.....nothing

btw, Zaxby's is a chicken restuarant that started in Statesboro, Ga by two college students and now they're everywhere! The napkins from there were brown so I thought they had to have some kinda something in 'em. no such luck.
I put a BU Morgan, Merc, Walker, ASE, a VF cleaned CBH and a UNC polished Buffalo nickel in them and set a bag of rolled Red wheates on them so the napkins would touch the surface of the coins.

cheezhed · October 19, 2006 1:52AM

<< I'm experimenting with Kotex. >>

Did you wrap a Susan B. Anthony?

shirohniichan · October 19, 2006 1:59AM

I put some cheap silver coins in a Papa John's Pizza napkin (a brown one, like the Taco Bell napkins) and put it on a window sill a month ago

Thanks for reminding me. I'd forgotten about them!

topstuf · October 19, 2006 2:00AM

Like the picture. Seems the taco itself would be quicker.

RW · October 19, 2006 2:08AM

I had some Lincolns out and set aside while I was roll searching. I also had a BU Morgan out with them. I didn't feel like stapling up the Lincoln's in 2x2s at the time so I put the cloth they were on flat into a manila folder to keep the dust off. I got busy on other things for a few weeks and when I got around to opening the folder the obverse of the Morgan which had the folder against it had started to get some color on the high points. I'm leaving it in there just to see what happens. This coin will NOT ever be for sale.

Musky1011 · October 19, 2006 7:12AM

How's this

Jim

pf70collector · October 19, 2006 7:20AM

Put a morgan uncirculated in an #10 envelope with a taco bell napkin and put it on the window sill about 2 months ago but nothing yet.

Bruceswar · October 19, 2006 7:21AM

<<

How's this

Jim >>

What caused that???

Musky1011 · October 19, 2006 7:23AM

Wanna guess???

It only took 5 weeks and wasn't heated

Jim

Cam40 · October 19, 2006 8:22AM

i wrapped a couple of 2006 coins in a taco bell napkin and set it on fire to accelerate the process alittle...
the dime came out mostly black and spotty but the quarter came out better with just some yellowish rim toning.
dont think i save either one. just through em in my change jug to be rolled and deposited to the bank some day.

How many are trying the Taco Bell Napkin?

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