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Based on the photos, which Dahlonega $5 is "better"? (updated)

RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
Based on the photos, which coin is "better"? Which coin has the higher technical grade? Which has better eye appeal? Which would you rather have?

Coin A (1 set of images):

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Coin B (2 sets of images):

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    Too obvious for a serious response.... image
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    robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Anybody with a half a brain or more knows this is an obvious trick post.
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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    I really like the originality shown in the in-slab pics of coin #2, but the hit on the chin kills it for me.

    The originality of #1 is unclear given the photographs. If I had a return policy and could have only one coin sent to me, and given the information provided, I would choose #1...Mike
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    Man, I can spot an ANR coin a mile away. They sure take good pics when they want to. RYK, when are you going to come in to look at lots?
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    << <i>I really like the originality shown in the in-slab pics of coin #2, but the hit on the chin kills it for me.

    The originality of #1 is unclear given the photographs. If I had a return policy and could have only one coin sent to me, and given the information provided, I would choose #1...Mike >>



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    The hit on the chin is very distracting.
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,608 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Neither is 'better' because they are gold and not silver! image
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    Coin A. That gash on Coin B is just too disturbing.
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I'll take A. Probably cheaper too.
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    TheGuyTheGuy Posts: 68 ✭✭
    I'm thinking Coin B.
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    Trick Question ? Door # 1
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    MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Coin A:

    My take: AU 58...nice coin for the grade.

    Coin B:

    NGC 62. Looks like its a decent 62, even with the chin mark...which
    would preculde me from being interested in it.

    "Better" could mean lots of things.

    I like Coin A "better" than coin B.

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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ick, neither of them are half dimes image
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    I'd go with the second coin only because the color of the first coin looks odd.

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    LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349
    I like the color on the second coin better (from the in-slab images).

    But I do not see anything terribly wrong with the first coin, either. image

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's my take on it:

    The first coin is in a PCGS MS-61 holder and was purchased from the ANR Old Colony sale last year. While the ANR photograph shows great detail, like some of their photographs, this one is overexposed. The actual color is a natural, yellow-orange gold. I do not believe the coin has been dipped or recolored, but I have not been with the coin in its 160 year existence to prove it. There is a paucity of distracting marks, a strong strike, nice luster, and overall excellent eye appeal. If someone suggested that it is an "old time" AU-58, I would not disagree, but since this coin blows away any AU-58 I have seen, I think that it is graded appropriately. I also believe if the coin was submitted 100 times, fewer than ten times would it get the AU-58 grade. As an MS-61, it is a pop 4/0 coin.

    The second coin is currently for auction at Heritage. It is the highest graded 1846-D $5 at this time (NGC MS-62). I have trouble evaluating the coin with any degree of certainty based on the the two images, as they are so different. In the first image, the coin appears really washed out. There is a grease mark on the chin, one on the coronet, a scratch on the bust, and specks of dirt all around, the latter feature I find to be quite pleasing. Judging solely on the first image, the coin has poor eye appeal, IMO. However, on the second image, the coin's color looks lovely and original. The distractions are still there, and the luster is muted. Plus, there appears to be some rub on the usual highpoints. I would guess, solely on the images, if this coin were submitted raw to PCGS, it would have a hard time getting the MS-62 ("finest single coin") grade. It might even be pressed getting an MS grade.

    A few notes about the 1846-D $5. There are actually two naked eye varieties: the more common 1846-D/D (below) and the less common 1846-D (normal mintmark), which these coins in the OP are. Both varieties are considered an integral part of the 26 coin basic Dahlonega $5 set (though interestinly, you do not need both for the complete set in the NGC registry). Of the 1846-D normal mintmark, there are roughly 110-130 known in all grades and 12-15 in higher grades (AU & MS). It is the fifth most scarce Dahlonega $5 overall and the second most scarce in high-grade, trailing the 1842-D $5 LD (the other year of an essential variety).

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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RYK, great post. When I looked at the coins, I liked #1 better. So I figured that somehow #2 was slabbed higher. And a great analysis of the 2 coins in the post immediately preceding this one! Thanks for posting them!

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Updated: I viewed the "MS-62" coin at the Silver Dollar Show. IMO, it is a nice, crusty AU-58 that is not deserving of the MS-62 grade, the title of finest known, or the MS-62 money. The coin is reserved at $20k (plus juice), and I would be very surprised if it sells at auction.
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    orevilleoreville Posts: 12,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RYK:

    Thanks for the thread. Interesting.

    Take a look at coin A. I suspect a lightly dipping as the field INSIDE the date looks darker or dirty. Everything else around the coin looks brighter. I wonder?
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    thanks for the informative post!image I like coin A betterimage
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oreville,

    Good point. I do not think the coin is 100% original, but in hand, it has a nice, unprocessed MS look to it.

    RYK
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Update:

    The NGC MS-62 sold for $23,000 in the Heritage auction, a record for the date. I spoke to DW about the coin, and he feels that it is accurately graded and likely the finest known. Congrats to the new owner.

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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Update:

    The NGC MS-62 sold for $23,000 in the Heritage auction, a record for the date. I spoke to DW about the coin, and he feels that it is accurately graded and likely the finest known. Congrats to the new owner. >>




    Thanks for the update. It's amazing how deceptive pics can be.
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