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The Dipped And AT Frenzies Have Come And Gone... Is AC Next?
Fletcher
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The altered surface posse seems to always be one step ahead of the market. Coins were dipped and blast white was the mode ... coins were baked and everyone paid huge premiums for rainbow toning. With "original skin" being the catch-phrase making a comeback as of late, are the coin doctors now developing undetectable methods for creating Artificial Crustiness and will AC be the next big debate among collectors?
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<< <i>The altered surface posse seems to always be one step ahead of the market. Coins were dipped and blast white was the mode ... coins were baked and everyone paid huge premiums for rainbow toning. With "original skin" being the catch-phrase making a comeback as of late, are the coin doctors now developing undetectable methods for creating Artificial Crustiness and will AC be the next big debate among collectors? >>
"original skin" was one of the reasons toned coins became increasingly popular. Coins that were toned were considered "un-messed" with but since the AT doctors became very good at what they do, toning doesn't mean "un-messed" with anymore.
I see some on this board call a coin "crusty" with any kinda tone on it. Ya got your real deal crusty, and ya got your impostors.
They're not that that good, it's just that many lack experience and / or don't know what they're looking at to begin with.
<< <i><<< Coins that were toned were considered "un-messed" with but since the AT doctors became very good at what they do, toning doesn't mean "un-messed" with anymore. >>>
They're not that that good, it's just that many lack experience and / or don't know what they're looking at to begin with. >>
Yes, that's why some of the biggest dealers in the country routinely find out they are carrying AT coins. We had the Peace dollar, Legend had an Indian Cent, ect. The list could go on forever. There are also plenty of coins that are auctioned off without mention of the color being AT by all of the major auction houses. This is also why the ones who grade coins professionally, i.e. it is their job to know the difference, are being fooled and AT coins are getting into holders. I've experimented enough with it in the last few months to convince myself that even natural-looking coins can easily be made via artificial means.
Just like any toner in any series, or folks that just look at a toner and say "That's pretty, I'll take it.... study, look, study again, and if it don't look right...... PASS!!!
And of course believe NO stories whatsoever IMO. Listen to them though as the entertainment value is priceless.
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<< <i><<< Coins that were toned were considered "un-messed" with but since the AT doctors became very good at what they do, toning doesn't mean "un-messed" with anymore. >>>
They're not that that good, it's just that many lack experience and / or don't know what they're looking at to begin with. >>
Yes, that's why some of the biggest dealers in the country routinely find out they are carrying AT coins. We had the Peace dollar, Legend had an Indian Cent, ect. The list could go on forever. There are also plenty of coins that are auctioned off without mention of the color being AT by all of the major auction houses. This is also why the ones who grade coins professionally, i.e. it is their job to know the difference, are being fooled and AT coins are getting into holders. I've experimented enough with it in the last few months to convince myself that even natural-looking coins can easily be made via artificial means. >>
Dragon, if it is as easy to tell the difference as you make it out to be, than I, too, lack experience and don't know what I'm looking at to begin with.
As far as these 'professional graders' like NGC consistently holdering bad coins...........don't know what to tell 'ya.
<< <i>Interesting responses ... I wonder if the TPGs will ever be able to determine the true state of a coin????? >>
They could do a helluva better job right now if they just took a bit more time and used higher magnification on each coin..........slowing the assembly line however is not good for revenues and the bottom line
They're not that that good, it's just that many lack experience and / or don't know what they're looking at to begin with
Most (and I said most) dealers whether large or small are just slab brokers IMO and have no real inclination to determine if any given coin they buy / own is good or bad as long ++++++++as it's holdered and they can move it for a profit. +++++ there is the key you hit the nail right on the head.... especially so with modern coins in high grade plastic
As far as these 'professional graders' like NGC consistently holdering bad coins...........don't know what to tell 'ya.
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<< <i>Interesting responses ... I wonder if the TPGs will ever be able to determine the true state of a coin????? >>
They could do a helluva better job right now if they just took a bit more time and used higher magnification on each coin..........slowing the assembly line however is not good for revenues and the bottom line
I would just love to know this tried and true method of which you speak. I'd be willing to bet you $50 that I can take a coin and apply toning to it that you would not doubt it's originality. It won't be pretty but it won't look AT either. I actually did that a while back with some franklins. Franklins
ok......lets do it using 5 or 10 plain white inexpensive unc. generic Morgans. You can take a couple that are unquestionable and then do your 'thing' to the rest of them, and I will pick out the bad ones.
Of course I'm at a distinct disadvantage having to make judgements from online pics as they can be deceiving, but I'll try it anyways.
<< <i><<< I'd be willing to bet you $50 that I can take a coin and apply toning to it that you would not doubt it's originality. It won't be pretty but it won't look AT either. >>>
ok......lets do it using 5 or 10 plain white inexpensive unc. generic Morgans. You can take a couple that are unquestionable and then do your 'thing' to the rest of them, and I will pick out the bad ones.
Of course I'm at a distinct disadvantage having to make judgements from online pics as they can be deceiving, but I'll try it anyways. >>
I'll get 5 morgans. You won't know which ones are NT or AT. They may all be NT, they may all be AT. How's that?
<< <i>ok >>
Schaweet. I need to visit a couple of coin shops here in Dallas to pick up smoe morgans.
<< <i>Its easy to screw with coins and AT or even 'AC' them. But its pretty hard to go back and change the look of old catalog plate photos from the 1920s. >>
Yeah, So. I'm gonna make $50. Nee Nar Nee Nar Neeee Naaar.
A lot of 58's are going to become 63's or 64's overnight.
I own a machine shop. I could do this, if I were of the persuasion.
Ray
<< <i>The next low blow to the hobby is going to be artificial lustering of coins.
A lot of 58's are going to become 63's or 64's overnight.
I own a machine shop. I could do this, if I were of the persuasion.
Ray >>
So if I send you an AU58 morgan, you can make it an MS63? I'll pony up the dough for that just to see if that would actually work and have it documented here with the telltale signs for collectors to watch out for.
COMING SOON TO A DEALER NEAR YOU: Artificial crust.