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UPDATED-Does this 1922 No D Look Like Die Pair 2 to the Experts Out There?
Rampage
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UPDATED: I got the results back on Thursday. The coin slabbed as a Die Pair 2 Strong Reverse and the grade was VF20 cleaned. I knew it was cleaned and that is why it did not go to PCGS or NGC. But, for the price I apid on the coin, I could not beat it. This coin was my rip of the week. I bought three others that day and I will scan those and post them when they return next week. In my opinion, I got a rip on all four.
I picked this up there other day because I thought it looked like Die Pair 2. Am I correct, or was I wishing? It seems that all the diagnostics are there, such as weak 192 in the date, but strong second 2. Strong TRUST, but weak IN GOD WE, L of LIBERTY butts up against the rim, and the reverse is strong.
Anyone care to take a stab at the grade? Right now it is unslabbed, but will be slabbed soon if it is indeed Die Pair 2.
Thanks, Richard.
I picked this up there other day because I thought it looked like Die Pair 2. Am I correct, or was I wishing? It seems that all the diagnostics are there, such as weak 192 in the date, but strong second 2. Strong TRUST, but weak IN GOD WE, L of LIBERTY butts up against the rim, and the reverse is strong.
Anyone care to take a stab at the grade? Right now it is unslabbed, but will be slabbed soon if it is indeed Die Pair 2.
Thanks, Richard.
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Joe.
<< <i>Die #2. This is a PCGS 1922 MS63 WEAK REV.
I still can't get over that the coin you posted is an MS63. I mean I understand why it is (weak reverse and all), just hard to believe. Very nice coin by the way.
Joe.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
1922 no D Lincoln Cent
The 1922 no D Lincoln Cent is mentioned in most price guides without a full explanation of how to authenticate it. Some with no D showing are fakes, while others are relatively common die varieties that are only worth the same as the 1922D in grades below MS60. This means you have to look at other characteristics of the dies besides the lack of D, to figure out if a circulated 1922 cent is the valuable variety.
In a Numismatist article published between 1977 and 1982, three die pair varieties are identified as being capable of producing genuine no D coins. All 3 are valuable in Mint State. However, since 1987, only die pair #2 has been recognized as valuable in circulated condition.
The reason for this distinction is that in 1987, die pairs #1 and #3 were recognized as "filled dies", which can show a very weak D. It is not possible to reliably authenticate these as "no D" unless they are MS60 or higher, because only full mint lustre is sufficient to a detect a fake (removed D). The standard for MS specimens is that there must be no trace of the D, under 10X magnification.
However, for die pair #2, the D never appears (even weakly), because it was ground off the die by abrasives. So die pair #2 can be authenticated even in circulated grades. In addition, die pair #2 is less common in all grades than die pairs #1 and #3.
The 3 die pairs can be identified as follows:
· Die Pair #1:
o Second 2 in date is weaker than the first 2.
o First T in TRUST is smaller and more distinct than the other letters.
o WE is very mushy.
o Reverse is very weak, usually with no lines in the wheat ears.
· Die Pair #2:
o Second 2 in date is sharper than the first 2.
o All letters in TRUST are sharp.
o WE is only slightly mushy.
o L in LIBERTY butts up against the rim.
o Reverse is sharp.
· Die pair #3:
o Second 2 in date is weaker than first 2.
o TRUST is weak but sharper than IN GOD WE.
o L in LIBERTY butts up against the rim.
o Reverse is weak -- lower left part of O in ONE begins to spread into the field as the die deteriotates.
The PCGS grading service does not distinguish between all 3 dies. The only designations they use for 1922 no D cents are "Weak Reverse" and "Strong Reverse". Only the "Strong Reverse" can be die pair #2; "Weak Reverse" corresponds to die pairs #1 and #3. This means that a PCGS 1922 no D Weak Reverse EF40 is only worth about $15. This is the same as a 1922D EF40, and about equal to the cost of having the coin slabbed by PCGS! The ANACS grading service apparently only certifies die pair #2 as "no D" in circulated grades (at least since 1987).
This information was compiled from posts to rec.collecting.coins, dated between 12/30/96 and 1/3/97, and found in http://www.dejanews.com .
David
David
<< <i>The second "2" looks funny like it is not straight. >>
I think that is an artifact of the scanner. The 2 appears okay in hand.
K S
<< <i>I don't mean to discourage you, but this is the one coin I would be cautious about. The second 2 slants to the right. There are mant fakes. Be careful. >>
Rampage - If you don't want it, I'll take it off your hands.
Congrats on a nice catch!
Garrow
Richard.