OUCH!!! THE PAIN!!!

MadMarty · October 5, 2006 10:54PM

I head out to one of my dealers and go through is pile of Proof SAE. Pick out the nicest ones and ship them off to PCGS in the mint capsules. Well, PCGS graded them in less than a week! But I got the BIG STICK, NO GREASE! order!

1 1 10860713 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
1 2 10860714 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR69DC
1 3 10860715 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR69DC
1 4 10860716 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR69DC
1 5 10860717 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
1 6 10860718 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
1 7 10860719 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
2 1 10860720 9877 1994-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
3 1 10860721 9896 1995-P $1 Eagle US PR69DC
3 2 10860722 9896 1995-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
4 1 10860723 9913 1997-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
4 2 10860724 9913 1997-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
4 3 10860725 9913 1997-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC

RYK · October 5, 2006 10:58PM

Ouch is right. I thought getting a 69 on these is like an inalienable right.

Smittys · October 5, 2006 10:59PM

I didn't think they made 68's anymore.....

hiyosilver · October 5, 2006 11:03PM

Mislabeled........them 68's is supposed to be 58's.

Myqqy · October 6, 2006 12:04AM

I thought getting a 69 on these is like an inalienable right.

LickThoseStamps · October 6, 2006 12:08AM

You ought to go back to your dealer and ask him to let you look through his PR69 pile.

richardshipp · October 6, 2006 12:16AM

I know your pain.

Already having a 69 '97; I went on a hunt to find a "better" one. Finally did. Side by side it was a MUCH nicer coin. Better strike, absolutely crisp and not a mark even under a 16x loupe. So off it went with what I felt was a lock 69 and a dang good shot at 70.

Came back 68.

From now on I'm just going to buy my 70's already slabbed. Or for that matter, I've considered sending in both coins and pay up for Presidential Review just to make a point. Maybe 70 is not in the cards; but there is no way in the world that the 69 is a better coin than the 68.

Rant, rant, rant. OK, I feel better.

PhillyJoe · October 6, 2006 12:27AM

This can still turn out well. First, you need to find a damp basement to store them in. Perhaps you know someone whose basement flooded recently. The silver should develop subtle rainbow colors over the next 6 months and everyone will forget about the grade.

Joe

tmot99 · October 6, 2006 12:29AM

Ow.

TheNumish · October 6, 2006 12:32AM

That is one package I would return and make them review the coins. If you picked the coins no reason for so many 68's.

lkenefic · October 6, 2006 12:38AM

eeeegaadds!!! Call your congressman...quick!!

Baley · October 6, 2006 12:42AM

I've considered sending in both coins and pay up for Presidential Review just to make a point.

what point? that you like to send them more money?

RYK · October 6, 2006 12:44AM

After reviewing the PCGS price guide and pop reports for these, it is clear to me that PCGS has tightened as the prices has risen. This would make some sense were it not for the fact that there are certainly inferior coins out there in 69 holders (ie. richardshipp's experience).

richardshipp · October 6, 2006 12:51AM

<< I've considered sending in both coins and pay up for Presidential Review just to make a point.

what point? that you like to send them more money? >>

Cute, but the point would be that some of us would like them to actually look at the coin prior to assigning the grade. That part of the reason that we send the coins to them is because of their reputation for quality grading that we would like to see sustained. To provide feedback from the consumers perspective. To bring to the attention of someone at a higher level that it might be time to revisit the grading room.

Why does everything have to be about money? Does quality not count anymore?

FinallyHere · October 6, 2006 1:06AM

Marty,

What'd you do here, let the chicken do the picken?

Barndog · October 6, 2006 1:10AM

I don't submit coins, so I don't know the answer to this question: what did this pain cost you?

cladking · October 6, 2006 1:19AM

Do you think the grading was especially tough or they had already been cherry-picked.

tmot99 · October 6, 2006 1:24AM

<< Well, PCGS graded them in less than a week! But I got the BIG STICK, NO GREASE! >>

This is proof that the graders know who is sending the coins in!

longtimecollector · October 6, 2006 1:28AM

Dang it Marty......... Don't you know that the only coins making 70's are GOLD BUFALLOS ???????

I hear PCGS has hired new graders just to handle the influx.......

Here's to your next submission !!!

drjules · October 6, 2006 2:06AM

Mr AU58 changes his name to Mr PR68

Oh the pain (Dr Smith - Lost in Space)

Dr J

rlawsha · October 6, 2006 2:13AM

Someone is a little spoiled! 68 and 69 DCAMS aren't THAT bad...

Baley · October 6, 2006 2:48AM

Cute, but the point would be that some of us would like them to actually look at the coin prior to assigning the grade. That part of the reason that we send the coins to them is because of their reputation for quality grading that we would like to see sustained. To provide feedback from the consumers perspective. To bring to the attention of someone at a higher level that it might be time to revisit the grading room.

Have you considered the possibility (remote as it may seem to you) that they DID look at the coins, found something you're not seeing, and DID give you their honest OPINION as to what the coins grade?

and if you send them back and pay them to "look again" then they will POSSIBLY say the same thing?

Or is the only possibility that "they are wrong, and that's that" ? (and if so, maybe you can start your own company that "gives better grades"

seemyauction · October 6, 2006 3:02AM

I've never had that problem, every coin I've submitted came back exactly graded like I expected.

There is one little detail I'm leaving out, I never have and never will send a coin in to be graded.......

Enjoy your slabs.......

richardshipp · October 6, 2006 3:12AM

<< Cute, but the point would be that some of us would like them to actually look at the coin prior to assigning the grade. That part of the reason that we send the coins to them is because of their reputation for quality grading that we would like to see sustained. To provide feedback from the consumers perspective. To bring to the attention of someone at a higher level that it might be time to revisit the grading room.

Have you considered the possibility (remote as it may seem to you) that they DID look at the coins, found something you're not seeing, and DID give you their honest OPINION as to what the coins grade?

and if you send them back and pay them to "look again" then they will POSSIBLY say the same thing?

Or is the only possibility that "they are wrong, and that's that" ? (and if so, maybe you can start your own company that "gives better grades"

>>

I stand corrected. Certainly it is possible maybe even likely that I'm just missing something. Perhaps if your original reply had indicated such I would have thought it through before replying.

segoja · October 6, 2006 3:15AM

I know your pain!!!

labrams · October 6, 2006 3:16AM

<< I head out to one of my dealers and go through is pile of Proof SAE. Pick out the nicest ones and ship them off to PCGS in the mint capsules. Well, PCGS graded them in less than a week! But I got the BIG STICK, NO GREASE! order!

1 1 10860713 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
1 2 10860714 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR69DC
1 3 10860715 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR69DC
1 4 10860716 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR69DC
1 5 10860717 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
1 6 10860718 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
1 7 10860719 9867 1993-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
2 1 10860720 9877 1994-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
3 1 10860721 9896 1995-P $1 Eagle US PR69DC
3 2 10860722 9896 1995-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
4 1 10860723 9913 1997-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
4 2 10860724 9913 1997-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC
4 3 10860725 9913 1997-P $1 Eagle US PR68DC >>

Oh gawd, I am so sorry to hear that. Resend/regrade? NGC? What? PCGS hasn't been the greatest in the last two years, IMHO. I am getting a little shakey about them, frankly. They've had *so* much internal fallout, too. I guess NGC is what's left. I really don't know.

labrams · October 6, 2006 3:20AM

<< Someone is a little spoiled! 68 and 69 DCAMS aren't THAT bad... >>

PROOFS? YEAH, that is THAT bad. You obviously don't collect proofs.

MadMarty · October 6, 2006 3:28AM

<< Oh gawd, I am so sorry to hear that. Resend/regrade? >>

Nope, just won't submit any more of them.

dragon · October 6, 2006 3:48AM

Sorry about your results, but you may have just as well spent the money on these:

mgoodm3 · October 6, 2006 3:56AM

You suck.

pontiacinf · October 6, 2006 8:53AM

geesh that is not what I expected when I opened the thread.

you got

Dabigkahuna · October 6, 2006 9:11AM

Wow! Sorry.

At tleast the three 93's and the one 95" dates should more than cover the sub. fee and some of the loss. No?

Larry
Dabigkahuna

rjsriv · October 6, 2006 9:15AM

MODERN CRAP

Gemineye · October 6, 2006 10:05AM

..........PCGS graders

.......Hey Moe look these are Marty's coins....
......Yeah Larry I see..ya think we should give him all au58s..???
.....Nah he'll really think somethin' is up..
......Hey Curley....What do you think.....???
......I want a baloney samich and some pickles......!!!!!!
........
..............

LindeDad · October 6, 2006 10:16AM

Are those grades final with milk spots to show up in two month's?

ColonialCoinUnion · October 6, 2006 10:26AM

What's the value difference bewtween a 68, 69 and 70?

robertpr · October 6, 2006 10:34AM

<< What's the value difference bewtween a 68, 69 and 70? >>

68's are worthless, 69's are worth barely more than what a raw coin is worth (doesn't cover the slabbing fees) and 70's are a gold mine.

Personally I thought Marty was smart enough not to submit these. Oh well.

JRocco · October 6, 2006 10:59AM

Dang Marty---

I hope these plastic companies send you one heck of a nice Christmas Card in return for the gazillion dollars a year you give them....

labrams · October 6, 2006 11:04AM

Wow. I'm not sure which is better, your pic that is looking like Jac Nicholsen trying 'way too much to be on steroids or the KY pic. Who wuddathunk to take a pic of KY? Honestly.

labrams · October 6, 2006 11:08AM

<< You suck. >>

Oh, THAT made it past the inquisitor but my post with no name-calling or anything like that didn't. You made the point, thanks ever so much. Hope Chris resigns soon or somebody fires her because I think this was completely inappropriate.

dthigpen · October 6, 2006 11:10AM

labrams,

Nobody here likes you, go away, you're not welcome.

foodude · October 6, 2006 11:48AM

Pick out the nicest ones

Yikes, then what did the others look like

OUCH!!! THE PAIN!!!

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