Veteran eBayers - do you think 100% seller feedback brings in more money on the same coin than a 99.

uofa1285 · October 4, 2006 12:08PM

Veteran eBayers - do you think 100% seller feedback brings in more money on the same coin than a 99.9% or less feedback?

Assume said sellers have more than one year membership and at least 100 transactions.

Along with your Yes or No answer, please explain your perspective.

Thanks,

Doug

Russ · October 4, 2006 12:12PM

No.

Russ, NCNE

razorface1027 · October 4, 2006 12:13PM

No...Assuming, of course, weather the 1/10 % neg is trivial, retaliatory, accidental and so on. Wouldn't affect the monetary aspect of said seller +/-.

Tom

sweetwilliet · October 4, 2006 12:13PM

No, I will buy from someone with less than 100% feedback, many negatives are just retaliatory from an uninformed/unpleasable buyer. I bid on the coin, not the feedback. Of course, I always check feedback first to make sure the auction is legit. It is usually pretty easy to spot a fake, there are almost always red flags. That said, I place a bid on what I think the coin is worth. 100% positive only lasts a finite time, the longer you are a member and the more transactions you participate in, you will eventually get a neg.

seemyauction · October 4, 2006 12:15PM

I've been selling on ebay since Jan 31 1998.

I believe the photos sell your item.....a picture is worth a 1000 words..

123cents · October 4, 2006 12:15PM

I don't think 100 percent feedback brings in more money on a coin. If a buyer does not have confidence in the seller he just won't bid on his or her coin.

Russ · October 4, 2006 12:16PM

<< 100% positive only lasts a finite time, the longer you are a member and the more transactions you participate in, you will eventually get a neg. >>

Unless the seller is a wimp ass who refuses to neg buyers who absolutely deserve it out of fear of retaliation, or withholds feedback until the buyer places it.

Russ, NCNE

sweetwilliet · October 4, 2006 12:19PM

Russ, is that how you got your negs? 99.9% positive ain't too shabby, actually I think once the first neg is done, you can get over it and move on with business. I'm only at 100% because I only buy off ebay from reputable sellers. Once I sell coins, I'll get a neg eventually.

TorinoCobra71 · October 4, 2006 12:20PM

NO!

TorinoCobra71

Russ · October 4, 2006 12:23PM

<< Russ, is that how you got your negs? >>

All three are retaliatory. One is from seller who took over two months to ship, and then did so only after I negged him. The second is from a forum member who registered a new eBay handle the day of my auction, won it, never paid, and then negged me. He's never bid on anything since. The third is from a buyer who took over a month to pay, and then tried to pass a $300 bad check.

Russ, NCNE

JLW · October 4, 2006 12:33PM

Not in my world.
Joe

labrams · October 4, 2006 12:43PM

<< Veteran eBayers - do you think 100% seller feedback brings in more money on the same coin than a 99.9% or less feedback? >>

<side note to Russ -- are you drunk or what? And btw, are you *the* Russ in the Noe articles or not? Why haven't you written about this instead of letting that guy put you down?>

Reply to original thread: Yes, of course 100% good feedback is going to sell things. Why wouldn't it? A seller with that kind or reliability is great. I have only 3 neg feedbacks since 1998 but it drags me down to 99.5 because I'm not some powerseller or anything. I'm debating whether to start a new ID or not, really. With all the scammers on eBay, you can't afford to have feedback that is dinged even in the least. Likewise, as a buyer, you've got to rely on the feedback. There are just too many scammers now. And that is why 100% feedback looks good to me.

One of my 3 negs was a mistake and I totally understand it. The guy clicked on the wrong link, when you get this list of "do feedbacks," and I did the same thing to somebody else, so I know how he did it, and I feel TERRIBLE about it. I tried the ebay "mutual" feedback withdrawal to get it off the person I gave a wrong negative to and it was just hopeless and didn't work. Same for the guy trying to get rid of the wrong feedback to me. You know eBay doesn't care, right?

So one of three was a mistake, one of 3 was retaliatory, some numbnuts in Germany who took 4 months to finally actually send me a measly purse I bought, and 3 of 3 was a p'o'd guy who bought something from my former husband I don't understand (a sound board that you have to know the intricacies about to appreciate and I don't. I just remember it was a huge thing -- I had to mail it -- and my husband was an honest man so I don't really understand the bidder's beef.)

WoodenJefferson · October 4, 2006 12:49PM

I personally don't read every feed back response, just a cursory glance at the percentage...if I feel that if it warrants further inspection (like dropping a hundred bucks or so) then I take particular interest in the sellers feedback percentage, even taking a look at a few pages, going as far as seeing what other buyers "numbers" of transactions are also. A buyer who has just a few transactions and makes that dreaded grey dot/red flag against a seller may not be warranted. e-bay has always been a "buyer beware" situation, sometimes its just gut feelings....100% 99.5 %...96.5% I buy what I like, sometimes more than I anticipated but keep my fingers crossed with any new seller...plain and simple.

farthing · October 4, 2006 12:49PM

No!

My feedback number is 290 - all as a buyer. I have bought from more than 350 different sellers on eBay. Unless you have recent non-retalitory negatives I will likely buy from you if you are selling a coin/token/medal that I am interested in.

RedTiger · October 4, 2006 12:52PM

Yes. 0.1% more

Someone had to say it

jimjenson · October 4, 2006 1:00PM

heres my mix.

A track record of sales with 100% feedback shows you are a pus when it comes to non paying bidders and feedback extortion.

Edit- looks like Russ beat me to the reply.

richardshipp · October 4, 2006 1:03PM

I've been an ebayer since April of '99. My score is 76 and my rating is 98.7%.

I received my only neg from a seller from who misrepresented the condition of an expensive knife. No replies to my emails. So after some thought, I gave him a neutral fb. His response was to neg me.... sorry, but I didn't "get over it"; still irks me.

When I buy I always check fb first if I don't know the seller. I don't worry about the percentage too much; I'll read the actual comments and then even glance at the time from payment to posted fb for receipt.

I used to hold fb until buyers from me had received their item; but lately I just post their fb when I have payment. So far no problems.

RichieURich · October 4, 2006 1:06PM

No, just not much difference there.

uofa1285 · October 4, 2006 1:09PM

Thanks all to this point. My view is a bit contrary. I believe that my auctions bring in more since I am at 100%, as I have had buyers communicate as such, both directly and indirectly.

I know as a buyer, I tend to think the auction lot I am bidding on or buying has a bit more (sometimes tangible, sometimes intangible) value/worth when the person selling it has perfect feedback. I have bid more on lots, especially "raw" coins or "blurry" pics of toners (either slabbed or unslabbed) when sellers have perfect feedback..hmmm, maybe that means I'm just a snob!

Doug

Edited to say: even though I have 100% feedback, as a seller, I always leave feedback immediately as soon as payment arrives and before I ship the coin. If a buyer hasn't neg'ed me yet, it isn't because of fear of retailatory feedback. As a buyer, I have left negs to one or two sellers, but only as warranted...but I would neg and risk the retaliatory if and when the time comes.

richardshipp · October 4, 2006 1:14PM

The only time I've ever been stiffed was from a seler with a score of about 150 and 100% Feedback. I think if you play in the sandbox long enough you'll eventually end up with some sand in your shorts.

ziggy29 · October 4, 2006 1:16PM

No. One pissed off person in 1000 is no worse than none in 1000, IMO; it's noise.

Once you get below 98% with 1000+ feedbacks, I start to wonder.

jimjenson · October 4, 2006 1:17PM

Dont worry UOFA, sooner or later you will loose the 100%, sooner of you leave FB first. I wear the 2 negs I have with pride. They were both over shipping delays. I have since ended shipping parcel post and leaving feedback first.

CarlWohlforth · October 4, 2006 1:20PM

As a seller I hope so because I still have my %100 +. I have negged a couple non-paying bidders and expect retalitory feedback one day.

As a buyer I like to bid on sellers I know. That way I am comfortable and just bid. If I'm checking out a seller that is new to me I like to see %100. If they have negs I have to spend time to check them out. If I really want the item and the seller checks out then NO, no difference in what I would bid.

Coinhog · October 4, 2006 1:23PM

<< 

<< 100% positive only lasts a finite time, the longer you are a member and the more transactions you participate in, you will eventually get a neg. >>

Unless the seller is a wimp ass who refuses to neg buyers who absolutely deserve it out of fear of retaliation, or withholds feedback until the buyer places it.

Russ, NCNE >>

I always thought that feedback should be left when the transaction has been completed. The transaction isn't complete until the buyer is either satisfied (he leaves positive feedback) or unsatisfied (he leaves negative feedback). Shouldn't the buyer post first?

uofa1285 · October 4, 2006 1:25PM

<< Dont worry UOFA, sooner or later you will loose the 100%, sooner of you leave FB first. I wear the 2 negs I have with pride. They were both over shipping delays. I have since ended shipping parcel post and leaving feedback first. >>

As a seller, I ALWAYS leave feedback first, once paid.

lkenefic · October 4, 2006 1:27PM

It makes little difference to me. I think it depends upon how many transactions the seller or buyer has under his/her belt that lends credibility to the %-positive feedback score. As a buyer and a seller on ebay with a 100% positive feedback (only 100+ transactions), I'm sort of waiting for the shoe to drop. I'm certain I'll run into some nimrod who either won't pay or won't ship...sort of like death and taxes...it's inevitible...L

mach19 · October 4, 2006 1:29PM

YOU CAN'T PLEASE ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME!!!!

jimjenson · October 4, 2006 1:33PM

<< 

<< Dont worry UOFA, sooner or later you will loose the 100%, sooner of you leave FB first. I wear the 2 negs I have with pride. They were both over shipping delays. I have since ended shipping parcel post and leaving feedback first. >>

As a seller, I ALWAYS leave feedback first, once paid. >>

Enjoy the 100% rating while it lasts, cause it wont. The first time a package gets lost, delayed, or delivered to the wrong address, you can kiss the 100% goodbye. Buyers are not stupid. They know that once you left feedback they can extort you by holding your 100% feedback hostage.

Good luck.
JimJ (99.9%)

uofa1285 · October 4, 2006 1:36PM

<< 

<< 

<< Dont worry UOFA, sooner or later you will loose the 100%, sooner of you leave FB first. I wear the 2 negs I have with pride. They were both over shipping delays. I have since ended shipping parcel post and leaving feedback first. >>

As a seller, I ALWAYS leave feedback first, once paid. >>

Enjoy the 100% rating while it lasts, cause it wont. The first time a package gets lost, delayed, or delivered to the wrong address, you can kiss the 100% goodbye. >>

That has happened to me at least a dozen times, but I guess I avoided the neg's by having good communication and follow though until each case was resolved. Buyers appreciate sincere effort and caring, even if the shipping is lost, delayed or otherwise messed up.

Doug

jimjenson · October 4, 2006 1:57PM

Best of luck with it. When the first unearned neg's comes in you'll change as many others before you have, or your business will suffer. It is that simple.

In the meantime, best wishes.
JimJ

PS- I am not in the coin business. Maybe my buyers are a tougher crowd.

labrams · October 4, 2006 2:12PM

<< 

<< Dont worry UOFA, sooner or later you will loose the 100%, sooner of you leave FB first. I wear the 2 negs I have with pride. They were both over shipping delays. I have since ended shipping parcel post and leaving feedback first. >>

As a seller, I ALWAYS leave feedback first, once paid. >>

I always leave feedback first, too, as a seller. If the buyer pays me, they've lived up to their end of the bargain, IMHO. If the buyer ends up not happy with what they get, that has nothing to do with their feedback. They paid, promptly. I will refund on unhappy sales, period, no problem and I will pay the return shipping.

In 9 years, 1998-2006, I have left 5 neg feedbacks, well deserved. I got retaliatory feedback on two, so I guess I should count my blessings. One was a coin transaction and the seller ended up at the hands of the FBI, for ripping off people. I was just one of the fall out. One was a genuine innocent accidentaly wrong feedback (guy clicked on the wrong feedback link in one of ebays umpteen mails) and the other was on something my then-husband sold that I didn't understand. I didn't understand what he was selling or why the buyer wasn't happy. He sent him exactly what he said and I mailed it super fast, but the guy was just mad. He didn't want a refund., kept it. If it was bad enough for a neg, we had a 100% satisfaction guarantee, full refund and one-way shipping, even. He was new, though, so maybe that was it.

This was back in the days when ebay didn't fix feedback, period, no matter what so older and probably more reliable sellers will have these kinds of dings, where feedback isn't or can't be withdrawn.

uofa1285 · October 4, 2006 2:15PM

<< ...When the first unearned neg's comes in you'll change...or your business will suffer... >>

Jim,

Can you explain exactly what I will need to change when I get unearned neg's?

Thanks,

Doug

jimjenson · October 4, 2006 3:22PM

A few points:

1) There is no requirement leave feedback in the first place. It is well within TOS to leave nothing which is what about half the buyers do. (thats if you leave first or not)

2) If you screw your buyers, its pointless who leaves FB first. I can assure you that well deserved negatives will always find their way to your username, regardless of who posts FB first. (In other words, the motives stated about sellers who leave FB after receipt, are just plain wrong.)

3)It is unfair to be Neg'd by a purchaser if they:
a) bought the wrong thing
b) didnt read terms
c) USPS delays
d) damage in transit,
c) didnt like the color
d) etc, etc

And YES they will neg you for stupid reasons when A buyer knows they cannot be neg'd back. If they care anything about feedback or reputation, it is theirs, not yours!

The negs you don't deserve will be reduced, if not eliminated, by leaving FB upon receipt. This is fact.

Feel free to do as you choose.
I have already tried both. I gave it 2 un-earned negs and I changed my views on feedback.
As said before, enjoy the 100%, it wont last long leaving FB first.

Peace,
Jim

itsnotjustme · October 4, 2006 3:27PM

No. I have no concerns on a seller with 99% or better. Now if the neg is recent, I will at least look.

No I just say I will ship promptly... let the buyer think what they want about promtly. To me within 2 days is prompt for most items.

thebeav · October 4, 2006 3:27PM

<< Yes. 0.1% more >>

Exactly....It only has to be true 1% of the time to make the answer to this question YES.
I'm sure that the chances are greater that a 100% feedback guy garners the marginal bid over the 98% guy.
We all know the knuckleheads that you're subject to on fleabay......That doesn't figure into the question.
So, I say 'YES'......

WoodenJefferson · October 4, 2006 3:37PM

USPS delays...this can be a real killer. I purchased a lot from a dealer going out of business in Anchorage, Alaska...paid extra to have lot shipped Priority Mail, four and a half weeks later I get the parcel jammed/stuffed/bent/twisted/spindled in my mail box. After carefully extracting the package I see that familiar Priority Mail tag on the front with the words "Ground Travel Only" Ground travel to the lower 48 from ALASKA! That means going down Hwy 1 for 1000's of miles...after a flurry of e-mails to the seller, I got the tracking number and the USPS could not even find it...their answer was, "Number does not exsist" BS! So, you see, had I gave that seller negative feedback, I would have been at fault for a pre-mature reaction! The P.O. in Anchorage really screwed this one up...royally.

garsmith · October 4, 2006 3:44PM

<<Veteran eBayers - do you think 100% seller feedback brings in more money on the same coin than a 99.9% or less feedback?>>

No, I think shill bidding brings in more money on the same coin. I have 100% feedback yet I consistantly see people getting more money for the same coin than what I get.

Kaelasdad · October 4, 2006 3:52PM

When I was selling off some of the coins in the 20th Anniversary sets, I had someone send me an email saying he wanted the coins but my feedback was a problem. I have 1 neg in 75 feedbacks. I called him, we talked, i asked what the problem was, he just wanted to know if I could explain the neg. So, yeah, for me, especially since i have less than 100 feedbacks, it was a potential problem for a bidder.

All worked out though, he bought everything (although he is personally flying into town to pick up his coins, no way he wanted them going through the mail)

Dog97 · October 4, 2006 4:54PM

NO. 100% vs 99.9...what's that? 1 disgruntled eBayer that's stalking you from the Open Forum? You only bring in more $$ is somebody bids against me.

Veteran eBayers - do you think 100% seller feedback brings in more money on the same coin than a 99.

Comments

Leave a Comment