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    Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    <<<This board is full of more petty jealousy, uninformed accusers of every type; lynch squads, whiney babies and as of late, crooks.>>>
    Seems like a good dichotomy of coin collectors & dealers is representated here.

    <<<he's eaten by green cowpie flies in mere minutes.>>>
    You ever seen Wild Kingdom where the warthog swims across the creek and piranhas eat him alive? More like that.

    ps Mark Feld aint my boss. The board sends me a 1099 every year.


    <<<I was trying to come up with some way to assess the level of expertise here.>>>
    Like I said 35+ years in mainly Morgs in every way, shape & form possible.
    9 years in strictly 1797 & 1897 of all issues including DarkSide. Know everything about Barbers but lacking experience in Proof Gold from those eras though & 1797 in general cause I don't see much of it.
    9 years in High Grade Moderns from 1997. Yeah I can get on the Set Registry Board and and talk pops, mintages, & weights with Wonderboy & his crew if I wanted to.
    9 years in Major Striking Errors. A side collection from the 1997 collection. How bout that, I collect the Finest Known and the Most Mangled Known. Specializing in errors naturally leads to detailed knowledge of the minting process which is very helpful in "what kind of error is this thread." Don't know much about DDO, DDR, DD, RPM or varieties in general nor do I care to.
    6 years in Sample Slabs. Contributed quite a bit for that chapter Conder101's slab book.
    Usual numismatic library with RedBook, CDN, Travers, Van Allen, Breen, Bowers, Lawrence, Bolender, Fox,
    Ganz, etc
    Ex-member of ANA, non-active member of local coin club.
    Always wanted a 1909-S-VDB but never had one.
    I have more knowledge than most collectors but there are a few of you that have forgotten more than I'll ever know. Don't know everything but for what I don't know, I know people that do know.
    Consider myself an "above average" collector, but not elitist or snob just general grumpy old a$$hole.
    Collection worth little less than $100k depending on which price guide used.
    Sold about $40k in the last 10 years.
    Not bragging and not ashamed. My good stuff is in the safe deposit box and if you want to steal my stuff at home that's ok cause I collect guns too and have an itchy trigger finger. Actually I'm more worried about somebody stealing my vintage motorcycle collection.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,525 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>What was their reaction? >>


    First it's shock, then it's awe, then it's disbelief and they say something like.......No Way........and you confirm what you paid, then they go quiet. >>



    I'm sure you can imagine what they were thinking (this guy is nuts). image



    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭
    Dog..your writing style must be worked on...it's very helter-skelter and hard to read.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Dog..your writing style is marvelous...it's very entertaining and easy to read.

    Russ, NCNE
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    Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭
    I can be placed in the:

    no
    yes, for about 20-25 years
    no

    category.
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    Ed. S.

    (EJS)
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    No one's business

    Collected actively since 1960's, except durning grad school

    Actually some of my "wow" coins aren't nearly the most expensive
    and the biggest gains are on "Common AU Morgans"--a $15 1894P going
    to $3000 is big appreciation ---assuming I don't waste $30 on certification
    and TRIPLE my cost!!image
    morgannut2
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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>I'm sure you can imagine what they were thinking (this guy is nuts).image >>



    Yea, I don't think they knew the magnitude of my illnessimage



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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    SG,

    Why do you have an animated gif of yourself above my avatar?

    Russ, NCNE
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    Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    <<<Dog..your writing style must be worked on...it's very helter-skelter and hard to read. >>>
    Well @ least I don't use them big words what you have to get a dictionary to understand.


    <<<Dog..your writing style is marvelous...it's very entertaining and easy to read.>>>
    Thanks Russ; you're the bestest friend/collector/dealer/eBayer on the whole wide web and a valuable asset to mankind.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Like I said 35+ years in mainly Morgs in every way, shape & form possible.
    9 years in strictly 1797 & 1897 of all issues including DarkSide. Know everything about Barbers but lacking experience in Proof Gold from those eras though & 1797 in general cause I don't see much of it.
    9 years in High Grade Moderns from 1997. Yeah I can get on the Set Registry Board and and talk pops, mintages, & weights with Wonderboy & his crew if I wanted to.
    9 years in Major Striking Errors. A side collection from the 1997 collection. How bout that, I collect the Finest Known and the Most Mangled Known. Specializing in errors naturally leads to detailed knowledge of the minting process which is very helpful in "what kind of error is this thread." Don't know much about DDO, DDR, DD, RPM or varieties in general nor do I care to.
    6 years in Sample Slabs. Contributed quite a bit for that chapter Conder101's slab book.
    Usual numismatic library with RedBook, CDN, Travers, Van Allen, Breen, Bowers, Lawrence, Bolender, Fox,
    Ganz, etc
    Ex-member of ANA, non-active member of local coin club.
    Always wanted a 1909-S-VDB but never had one.
    I have more knowledge than most collectors but there are a few of you that have forgotten more than I'll ever know. Don't know everything but for what I don't know, I know people that do know.
    Consider myself an "above average" collector, but not elitist or snob just general grumpy old a$$hole.
    Collection worth little less than $100k depending on which price guide used.
    Sold about $40k in the last 10 years.
    Not bragging and not ashamed. My good stuff is in the safe deposit box and if you want to steal my stuff at home that's ok cause I collect guns too and have an itchy trigger finger. Actually I'm more worried about somebody stealing my vintage motorcycle collection. >>



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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭


    << <i>SG,

    Why do you have an animated gif of yourself above my avatar?

    Russ, NCNE >>



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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Don, I don't see how any of the three things you asked about necessarily has anything to do with how knowledgeable numismatists are.

    I know dealers who have been around for decades, yet know even less about coins than you doimageimage On the other hand, some collectors and dealers seem to catch on very quickly. Dare I say that Jay appears to be an example of the latter? image

    It's not about the amount of time spent learning, but rather, about the quality of that time. Perhaps the two most important things required to learn about coins are 1) exposure to the right (in terms of quality, quantity and perspective) coins AND 2) help from a mentor (whether a collector or dealer) to teach you about those coins. If you have one of those opportunities without the other, you're not going to learn nearly as much as you would otherwise be able to.

    Those who have taken the ANA grading classes, as an example can/will probably confirm the above.
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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭
    AND HE SPOKE...AND IT WAS THRUTH...

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    I do like the little man.
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    << <i>Jay,

    The point I was trying to make is that if Don wanted to gauge the amount of experience one had in the hobby, his last two questions were a bit more pertinent than his first.
    Any moron can go out and spend 500K in coins and have a "500K collection". That doesn’t give an indicator as to how much experience that person has.

    The middle question certainly does as time is a gauge of experience.

    So, asking about how much ones coins collection is worth, I think could be judged as an elitist comment by some. And Don must feel a bit of the same way since he thinks that the dollar value of ones collection was commensurate with numismatic knowledge...I simply disagree.

    The rich are afforded a certain amount of latitude...always have and always will. A poor man that is crazy is simply called crazy...but the rich crazy man is "eccentric" image

    I love to see expensive coins posted here...I cant hang with TDN and you and other million dollar+ collectors, but I still love seeing the coins...except for saints, which are ugly. image

    John >>




    A question is asked, but if you answer "affirmative" you are either an elitist or indiscreet, or a rich guy. That's a hell of an objective setup, in my opinion. I'm not an elitist, I'm very discreet and I'm not rich by modern standards. But F* me because I answer yes!

    FWIW I probably collected as much as anyone here when I was 7-15 years old. I had stacks of Whitman folders, rolls of warnicks, all kinds of stuff...and 98% of it was collected by searching in the early-mid 60's.

    If you people continue to discredit or play proletariat/bourgeois re. collecting coins, you can count me out. The guy with the great coins is A-OK when he's posting "WOW" pics or giving away great coins, but just don't talk about your collection, right?

    This board is full of more petty jealousy, uninformed accusers of every type; lynch squads, whiney babies and as of late, crooks. And you guys have the NERVE to accuse the OPEN FORUM of being unwanted participants. I'll stand in front of anyone and tell you that this band of gypsies here is much more dysfunctional as a group as the OF ever was.

    You THRIVE on the "set-up". Man...I have seen hundreds of threads where a question is asked and as soon as the one dissenter stands up, WHAM!...he's eaten by green cowpie flies in mere minutes. This is not the coin forum I started on a few years ago. I'm not saying that all people are like this, but the mass hysteria among a significant percentage here is classic lynch mob mentality. This is a cyber version of The Lord Of The Flies and I would suggest to many of you that if you can't accept high end collectors with grace and appreciation, then either shut your mouths or you're going to lose them as participants. I'm sure your union boss, the Honorable Mark Feldimage, will have a nice lecture railing about this topic, but this is MY minute on the soap box and I've listened to enough.

    You can close your eyes and deny that the sky is blue, but it ain't gonna change. >>



    One of the most clear-cut and honest rants I`ve read in nearly 4 years here. Great job.

    St. Guru, though I`ll never be in the same league as he in knowledge or highend collection, I have never felt like an inferior in anyway when I`ve talked to him. That is a sign of class.

    Coinguy1 and TDN never treated me as an inferior either. I`m not intimitated by money in this hobby as great material are to be had by most budgets. Though it takes alot of money for the true super rare and historical peices, it`s largely not relavant if one truely loves what they are doing. If you love what you`re doing, there is no room for jealousy.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Dare I say that Jay appears to be an example of the latter? >>



    Pass the bong, please.

    Russ, NCNE
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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    Add me to the "no, yes, no" crowd.

    For the record, I value coins/collectors not by the value of their coins/collections, but rather by -- for lack of a better term -- their "coolness"; which has little, if anything, to do with monetary value...Mike
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
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    I have a collection worth more than that however about 75% of My Gold was bought by my dad and when He passed away, I got His collection. So I guess I have been seriously collecting for about 10 years now!
    Instead of going to the tavern, now I invest that hard earned money in Gold coins! I don't think that I have put $5000.00 into My collection as of yet!
    Who cares anyways, It's My investment portfolio for the future plus they are great to look at!
    imageCollector Of All U.S. Gold Coinage!
    Antique Soda Bottles And Antique Soda Related
    Advertising, and many other collectables!
    Life is too short, I might as well buy Gold while I'm still around!image
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 29,959 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Jay,

    The point I was trying to make is that if Don wanted to gauge the amount of experience one had in the hobby, his last two questions were a bit more pertinent than his first.
    Any moron can go out and spend 500K in coins and have a "500K collection". That doesn’t give an indicator as to how much experience that person has.

    The middle question certainly does as time is a gauge of experience.

    So, asking about how much ones coins collection is worth, I think could be judged as an elitist comment by some. And Don must feel a bit of the same way since he thinks that the dollar value of ones collection was commensurate with numismatic knowledge...I simply disagree.

    The rich are afforded a certain amount of latitude...always have and always will. A poor man that is crazy is simply called crazy...but the rich crazy man is "eccentric" image

    I love to see expensive coins posted here...I cant hang with TDN and you and other million dollar+ collectors, but I still love seeing the coins...except for saints, which are ugly. image

    John >>




    A question is asked, but if you answer "affirmative" you are either an elitist or indiscreet, or a rich guy. That's a hell of an objective setup, in my opinion. I'm not an elitist, I'm very discreet and I'm not rich by modern standards. But F* me because I answer yes!

    FWIW I probably collected as much as anyone here when I was 7-15 years old. I had stacks of Whitman folders, rolls of warnicks, all kinds of stuff...and 98% of it was collected by searching in the early-mid 60's.

    If you people continue to discredit or play proletariat/bourgeois re. collecting coins, you can count me out. The guy with the great coins is A-OK when he's posting "WOW" pics or giving away great coins, but just don't talk about your collection, right?

    This board is full of more petty jealousy, uninformed accusers of every type; lynch squads, whiney babies and as of late, crooks. And you guys have the NERVE to accuse the OPEN FORUM of being unwanted participants. I'll stand in front of anyone and tell you that this band of gypsies here is much more dysfunctional as a group as the OF ever was.

    You THRIVE on the "set-up". Man...I have seen hundreds of threads where a question is asked and as soon as the one dissenter stands up, WHAM!...he's eaten by green cowpie flies in mere minutes. This is not the coin forum I started on a few years ago. I'm not saying that all people are like this, but the mass hysteria among a significant percentage here is classic lynch mob mentality. This is a cyber version of The Lord Of The Flies and I would suggest to many of you that if you can't accept high end collectors with grace and appreciation, then either shut your mouths or you're going to lose them as participants. I'm sure your union boss, the Honorable Mark Feldimage, will have a nice lecture railing about this topic, but this is MY minute on the soap box and I've listened to enough.

    You can close your eyes and deny that the sky is blue, but it ain't gonna change. >>




    I started collecting in 1957 and didn't learn too much for years. I did finally learn that
    it's a lot easier to buy coins cheap than to sell them dear.

    I rarely talk much about my collection now for security reasons. Most everything is in
    safety deposit boxes but who wants someone who doesn't know that beating down the
    door and taking hostages.

    There are lots of ways to assemble a collection though. There are money intensive, work
    intensive, and time intensive ways to make a collection and I'm a patient hard worker
    growing a little long in the tooth. There never was much money but you can still get a huge
    array of very scarce coins vor very little money. You'll need patience for them to be appreciated
    and they may never be so just learn to love them yourself.

    There's no need to be jealous of anyone. Even if you have no patience, no money, and
    little time, you can still make a spectacular collection of something. Just do it. There's some-
    thing out there for everyone if you aren't afraid of getting away from the crowds.

    Dang, that blue sky stuff just bothers me.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭
    Dang, that blue sky stuff just bothers me.

    It was written by Bob Dylan in a song that he never published. I thought it fit rather nicely. image
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 29,959 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Dang, that blue sky stuff just bothers me.

    It was written by Bob Dylan in a song that he never published. I thought it fit rather nicely. image >>



    It must be cool then even if it is wrong. imageimage
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have collected over $500,000.00 in money over the years, however I just can not seem to find it. I guess after collecting it, I had to spend it on living expenses (mortgage, car payment, food, etc.)
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    carlcarl Posts: 2,054
    Your questions are to easy. How about asking for something more important. For instance please give your Social Security Number here along with credit card numbers, name on the card, drivers license numbers, savings and checking account numbers. In addition please list the latest amount in each account, your address, time of day when no one is home, security systems in place and if so how to disarm them.
    Also, please list other collections such as guns, knives, cards, beanie babies, toe nail clippings, bazookas, howitzers, beer cans and where they are kept.
    Carl
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    Carl, I'll only accept that information through PM. Please enclose a recent picture that can be used on ID cards. imageimage
    Don Willis
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    BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    No
    No
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    coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,328 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jay,

    Great rant, but still, you must have missed the point of my thread yet again. And that point is....saints suck. image

    I never called anyone elitist....I simply said that asking how much your collection is worth could be "perceived" as elitist and that it really has no bearing on
    how much knowledge one has in coins!! (That was Don's original question btw)

    I limited this to a two sentence response lest you misunderstand and have a coronary...again. image

    John
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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Jay,

    Great rant, but still, you must have missed the point of my thread yet again. And that point is....saints suck. image

    I never called anyone elitist....I simply said that asking how much your collection is worth could be "perceived" as elitist and that it really has no bearing on
    how much knowledge one has in coins!! (That was Don's original question btw)

    I limited this to a two sentence response lest you misunderstand and have a coronary...again. image

    John >>




    Yes they really do suck. So much that the key dates have doubled in just 18 months. That sucks because I wanted a more traditionl 10% per annum because it's an easy number to work with. I also understand that the image of Miss Liberty is somewhat "full bodied" when compared to our ideal beauties now,Linsey Lohan, Kate Moss, Calista Flockhart, Paris Hilton, etal...the "Skeletoal Queens" of the Millenium. For these reasond I simply state,

    "Saints Suck".

    Now John, what else ye say?

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    coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,328 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All those girls are a bit slim for me...I would agree. My top 5 on the actress side are as follows:

    Jessica Alba
    Salma Hayek
    Kate Hudson (a little thin, but hey, variety is the spice of life)
    Diane Lane
    Julia Stiles

    Any of those could be on any coin. Let's bring back liberty...and make Diane Lane the next model!!
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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭
    let's have rant#1 back for a replay. image
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