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    People nowadays will do anything to try and scam eBay buyers
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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭
    seems like with all that Brillo Pad scrubbing, that Mint Mark would have fallen off already. Well, the TAR is holding it on, I forgot!
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder how big it is. It looks like one of those coaster-size coin things.
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    krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    Is it me, or does that replica look to be the size of a coaster?

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

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    WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 7,045 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Either it’s a coaster, or a Copy with Tar spread across the reverse to hide it.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,137 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    RWRW Posts: 485
    I see nothing wrong with that coin. image
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    sTONERsTONER Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭
    i think i saw that coin in the Texas chainsaw massacre 2 movie,, what a douscheimage
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    I wonder how his feedback rating got that high image
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    Keep in mind not everyone has the money to pay for a mint state 09 VDB, or could be a great coin for a child to fill a hole until the child can afford and properly care for a realy nice VDB.......
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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭
    How's them pussycats, Pat? image
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Royal Oak Mint copies of the 1909-S VDB have the "COPY" on the left side wheat. The black gunk on this piece seems to be very concentrated in that area.
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    tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    It is clearly a reproduction with the word copy removed all the reverse. It is very clear that the person selling the coin is trying to cheat someone.

    Tom
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    That's what it is alright, a Royal Oak Mint copy. Thought so from the general appearance as soon as I saw the obverse, and Braddick's "potential source" link nailed it.
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    << <i>Keep in mind not everyone has the money to pay for a mint state 09 VDB, or could be a great coin for a child to fill a hole until the child can afford and properly care for a realy nice VDB....... >>



    I don't think anyone would argue with you on that. The issue here is that in the first auction braddick linked, the seller is falsely advertising his coin as an authentic 1909-S VDB (and is nowhere near the EF-AU grades he claims) while the second auction clearly states that the coin is a replica.

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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    You guys need to find a place to buy tar, feathers, rope, and lumber (for the hangman's scaffold) wholesale. Or maybe you can get it on ebay--nope, you'd be afraid of getting ripped off.

    But I'll refer you to Hanlon's razor posted earlier. I'll rephrase it in a way I like a little better, "Be slow to attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by stupidity."

    Where do you think he got the term "King of the Wheat Lincoln Penny?"

    Where do most ebay novice or non-specialized sellers do their research?

    How about here.

    Look at what this guy sells. He's a junk dealer. He came upon this old penny, looked it up, and did his best to describe it. at least he has some pretty good photos.

    Those of you speculating about the size being wrong have no basis other than general negativity.

    Perhaps we need a new physics theorum of general negativity, ebay for short.

    --Jerry
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    PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭✭
    This poor slug has had everything but a shotgun blast done to it.

    "I'm not a grader, but I believe it would grade ef40-au50" AU as in About Uncirculated or "Almost Unreadable"? image

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    << <i> You guys need to find a place to buy tar, feathers, rope, and lumber (for the hangman's scaffold) wholesale. Or maybe you can get it on ebay--nope, you'd be afraid of getting ripped off. >>




    Are you serious????? Have you EVER sold an item on eBay???? Before you ever get to the point it is listed, you have to agree to the RED print that you are certifying the goods you are selling to be authentic........They guy is either trying to rip someone off, or is a fool......what do you think?
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    CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    braddick: great investigative work, I would bet the word COPY on the left wheat shaft is conveniently filled in with tar.
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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


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    << <i> You guys need to find a place to buy tar, feathers, rope, and lumber (for the hangman's scaffold) wholesale. Or maybe you can get it on ebay--nope, you'd be afraid of getting ripped off. >>

    Are you serious????? Have you EVER sold an item on eBay???? Before you ever get to the point it is listed, you have to agree to the RED print that you are certifying the goods you are selling to be authentic........They guy is either trying to rip someone off, or is a fool......what do you think? >>




    Yes, my total ebay sales in the past 8 years are approaching 6 digits. I do a much better job at it than this guy. I hope that I'll never be cited as a good example of Hanlon's razor. Did you look at the thread I produced? My guess is he know's nothing about coins and lifted all his terminology from other ebay auctions. I'd give it 90% that he thinks he has the real thing. --Jerry
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    lkrarecoinslkrarecoins Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭
    Looks like Mr. Lincoln had some plastic surgery, perhaps collagen implants???
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    << <i>I'd give it 90% that he thinks he has the real thing. >>




    OK...I'll give him and you the benefit of the doubt..
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    goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    How is this bowl of wrong any bigger than selling ...PURPLE..."enhanced" indians?
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    goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    It boggles my mind how soon people forget stuff around here yet they start 10,000 threads on Manofcoins and want to burn him at the stake.
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    notwilight.......your coins sales on eBay aren't very strong are they??? I would like to think you would do a better job than this guy. Most people do SOME research.


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    Wow ......and I was gonna give him a starting bid........!!!!!!
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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>notwilight.......your coins sales on eBay aren't very strong are they??? I would like to think you would do a better job than this guy. Most people do SOME research. >>



    My coin sales are nothing to brag about. I've sold tools, motorcycle parts, things made in my garage, and micellany. I have a lot of machine tools I'll be selling soon. I sold a couple of gold buffalos (got $35xx for a PR70) but was pretty disgusted by the ebay and paypal fees and sold the rest of them in the BST forum.

    Here is an update from this guys auction:

    Q: You have GOT TO BE KIDDING! You DO know that coin is fake, right? It should say copy underneath that black crap on the left reverse. We'll see what Ebay has to say about it, as I'm about to report it.

    A: I JUST GOT 4 EMAILS SAYING ITS A FAKE BELIEVE ME IM DELETEING LISTING RIGHT NOW , THANKS FOER THE HEADS UP




    Any of you that reported him to ebay without giving him a chance to respond are acting irresponsibly. This is a $9.95 auction from a junk dealer. Many of you don't buy coins for less than 4 digits. Don't hold him to the same standards that you expect the snooty walnut and brass clad coin dealership in Newport Beach to uphold.

    --Jerry
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    zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭


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    Any of you that reported him to ebay without giving him a chance to respond are acting irresponsibly. This is a $9.95 auction from a junk dealer. --Jerry >>




    He's a crook, face it.
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    I agree.......he should be given a chance to correct it, before he gets reported..It looks like he did the right thing...good for him.
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    TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    Nothing a little disclaimer shouldn't take care of.image
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    michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭




    How is this bowl of wrong any bigger than selling ...PURPLE..."enhanced" indians?


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    how can it be so wrong when it feels so right....................... for sleezebay and the seller that is
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    tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    Ok, he ended his auction. I wrote to him to tell him that it was a fake. He wrote back:
    <FONT face=Arial size=2>THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP. MY DAD AND I OWN A PAWN SHOP AND EBAY ALOT OF STUFF . NEEDLESS TO SAY WE'VE FLAGGED THE GUY WHO PAWNED IT TO US. THANKS LOUIE</FONT>


    Tom
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    Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    WHAT THE SELLER FORGOT TO SAY: in italics


    either my cap lock is stuck r i dont no whut lower case means
    YOU ARE not BIDDING ON A 1909 S VERY RARE LINCOLN WHEAT PENNY. but a replica from the gallery mint museum in eureka springs arcansaw just 10 minutes down the road THERE ARE SOME SCRATCHES ON THE FRONT AND SOME TAR OR RESIN ON THE BACK. from when the pcgs bord tared & feathered it last time whut i seld it on ebay THE COIN ITSELF IS IN NICE SHAPE , considering i drove uncle daddies bulldozer over it several times in the berjoint parkin lot when i was drunk the day my moma got out of prison I WOULD GRADE THE COIN EF40 - AU50 (IF TAR/RESIN WAS CLEANED OFF) an if frogs had wings they woodnt bump their a$$ everytime they hoped , I AM NOT A GRADER but i wuz a second grader for 4 years JUST MY EDUCATED OPINION . remember i grajeated 4th grade Again this a RARE COIN HARD TO FIND KEY DATE. its easer to get a date wiff cousin daisy mae WE SHIP ONLY TO CONTINENTAL U.S.A . We ship next day after receiving payment. if whut its not rainin cuz its long walk to the mailbox IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS , ASK BEFORE YOU BID PLEASE . I ONLY SHIP TO LOWER 48 STATES . because hawaee is to far to swim and alaska is to cole I DO NOT SHIP TO PO BOXES/APOBOXES OR FPO BOXES because ima commie and despise our brave US Servicemen serving their country oversees + i dont no how to spell apo whut to write it on the box. I PREFER PAYPAL because wiff paypal i can take ur $$ and run (PLUS YOU WILL RECEIVE IT A LOT SOONER) because paypal ships stuff wiff jetplanes now BUT ALSO ACCEPT MONEY ORDER AND CASHIERS CHECK. THANK YOU AND HAPPY BIDDING!! sukker


    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
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    all his transactions otherwise seem fine. If it was a royal mint copy he may just be coin ignorant. If its one of those coaster babies then hes an azz plain n simple

    my first opinion was coaster like in appearance
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    << <i>How is this bowl of wrong any bigger than selling ...PURPLE..."enhanced" indians? >>



    It's not.
    What do you think, Mr. Bigglesworth?
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    Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    If all his other transactions seem fine what I see is that he got a NEG last week because he allegedly tried to scam somebody on a Pink Floyd CD.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
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    << <i>How is this bowl of wrong any bigger than selling ...PURPLE..."enhanced" indians? >>



    BUT - Braddick offers a refund on all his AT coins image
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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    How is this bowl of wrong any bigger than selling ...PURPLE..."enhanced" indians?

    I was waiting for that.... image
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    << <i>I wonder how big it is. It looks like one of those coaster-size coin things. >>



    Exactly what I was thinking.

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    dorancoinsdorancoins Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Are you kidding me? >>



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    I like the tar stains. I can't believe it, Russ hasn't responded to the post with his numismatic wisdom. He would be able to exactly indentify every aspect of the coin, who made the fake, the chemical makeup of the tar, type of material used, who made it, when it was made, etc. Please help us Russel, please, we need your intellectual insight.

    96eagle
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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How is this bowl of wrong any bigger than selling ...PURPLE..."enhanced" indians? >>



    You sure do got that right buddy...image
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I like the tar stains. I can't believe it, Russ hasn't responded to the post with his numismatic wisdom. He would be able to exactly indentify every aspect of the coin, who made the fake, the chemical makeup of the tar, type of material used, who made it, when it was made, etc. Please help us Russel, please, we need your intellectual insight.

    96eagle >>



    "BigBen", is that you?
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    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I like the tar stains. I can't believe it, Russ hasn't responded to the post with his numismatic wisdom. He would be able to exactly indentify every aspect of the coin, who made the fake, the chemical makeup of the tar, type of material used, who made it, when it was made, etc. Please help us Russel, please, we need your intellectual insight.

    96eagle >>



    "BigBen", is that you?
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