On Ebay: Fake ANACS Slab -- "MS67" Saint

Connecticoin · September 8, 2006 11:54PM

Here's one I haven't seen before:

"MS67" 1927 Saint

Looks like a do-it-yourself slab using an ANACS label with the lettering typed on by a laser printer. The bogus "cert number" is a nice touch.

robertpr · September 9, 2006 12:04AM

Interesting. I wonder what ANACS would say about that. If the auction is reported to eBay, do you believe action would be taken? heh

Bikingnut · September 9, 2006 12:09AM

If the auction is reported to eBay, do you believe action would be taken?

Too late in the auction, I believe.

RBinTex · September 9, 2006 12:32AM

NEVER too late to report!

I really wonder why, if they could make such a good looking counterfeit, why they would not make the barcode appear more like an ANACS slab.

ABC123 · September 9, 2006 12:36AM

Very deceiving ANACS Holder ! Wonder who the Well-Respected Collector is---not a very discerning collector !

taxbuster1040 · September 9, 2006 2:08AM

I hate to show my ignorance, but how can you tell the holder is a fake? Also, the coin itself looks to me to be genuine... How can you tell it is a fake?

Bikingnut · September 9, 2006 2:10AM

hate to show my ignorance, but how can you tell the holder is a fake? Also, the coin itself looks to me to be genuine... How can you tell it is a fake?

For one, the font is wrong. Look at a real ANACS slab and you can see the difference. The dead give away is the bar code. It's nothing but a bunch of I's.

braddick · September 9, 2006 2:12AM

The white core with the ANACS hologram on the reverse is genuine. The insert/label has been replaced with a counterfeit. The outer clear plastic shell is also not of ANACS orgin.

Leiana · September 9, 2006 2:14AM

So the hologram is real? Because I think it would be pretty difficult to fake your own hologram.

-Amanda

NumisOxide · September 9, 2006 2:23AM

<< The white core with the ANACS hologram on the reverse is genuine. The insert/label has been replaced with a counterfeit. The outer clear plastic shell is also not of ANACS orgin. >>

Exactly the way I see it.

Russ · September 9, 2006 2:31AM

Geez, this doofus is a registered eBay Trading Assistant. Not a very bright one at that:

<< I am offering to assist you in selling any of your unwanted goods. You must provide me with, either the actual product(shipped at your expense),or reasonably good scans, as well as description. >>

That translates to "Attention scammers: Just send me images of stuff you don't really own and I'll sell it."

Russ, NCNE

jim2527 · September 9, 2006 2:32AM

Look at sellers past sales. There seems to but a run of the same buyer purchasing many items consecutively for very, very cheap prices. If you go back several pages this repeats itself with different buyers. Who pays .50 cents for something then adds $8.00 for shipping?

Seller also had many negative comments a year ago. It seems like the seller is trying to 'pad' her rating. I could wrong but I'm a cynic.

jim...novice IHC collector

robertpr · September 9, 2006 2:42AM

<< Geez, this doofus is a registered eBay Trading Assistant. Not a very bright one at that:

<< I am offering to assist you in selling any of your unwanted goods. You must provide me with, either the actual product(shipped at your expense),or reasonably good scans, as well as description. >>

That translates to "Attention scammers: Just send me images of stuff you don't really own and I'll sell it."

Russ, NCNE >>

Yeah, or it could be that he wants to be able to see what you might consign so he can accept or reject the consignment before asking you to ship the goods to him. But givin the fact that the guy is clearly a bozo, I'd tend to agree with your interpretation in this instance.

Lambeau · September 9, 2006 3:33AM

The shell almost looks like a photoshopped Coinworld.

CoinResource · September 9, 2006 3:50AM

Someone report it *** wheres that eBay link????

VamGuy · September 9, 2006 6:24AM

The auction ID number is 220022833831

To report this auction, CLICK HERE

Pentimento · September 9, 2006 6:45AM

Does anyone else think that the label's corners have been trimmed with a pair of kitchen scissors? It looks like a REALLY clumsy arc.

Pentimento · September 9, 2006 7:08AM

This seller "Stacie1979Stacie" did business 79 times with "dlrdaroberts," who in turn did business a dozen times with "nascr8fn5858", who in turn did business a dozen times back with this seller "Stacie1979Stacie."

Sorry-- I got sucked into the matrix on this one, so many concentric circles and closed trading patterns. Looks like a lot of work was done to pull off this $10,000 dollar scam.

lkenefic · September 9, 2006 7:09AM

Here's the obverse of a real ANACS slab:

Rampage · September 9, 2006 7:38AM

The barcode is also an obvious fake. I hope the seller of that coin can sleep well at night.

coinguy1 · September 9, 2006 7:49AM

I sent an email caution/warning to the seller with a link to this thread. It's possible that the seller has the coin on consignment and had no idea about probems with the holder/label and coin.

Russ · September 9, 2006 7:52AM

<< It's possible that the seller has the coin on consignment and had no idea about probems with the holder/label and coin. >>

I agree, and I also sent him a heads up eMail - several hours ago. Either he doesn't check his eMail, or doesn't care.

Russ, NCNE

joeyuk · September 9, 2006 7:56AM

Me Too. I was waiting for a responce to post it.

Question from joeyuk91r8
joeyuk91r8( 510)
Positive feedback: 100%
Member since: Aug-13-00
Location: NJ, United States
Registered on: www.ebay.com

Item: Gold Double Eagle 1927 St. Gaudens US $20 MS67 Antique (220022833831)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
joeyuk91r8 is a potential buyer.

As you can tell from the number of hits this auction has been getting alot of attention. It appears to many the item pictured may not be in an authentic ANACS holder. As the seller/trading assistant of this item I just thought I would pass this along.

Thank you,
eBay

Leiana · September 9, 2006 7:57AM

Gee, nobody has bid on it.

-Amanda

coinguy1 · September 9, 2006 8:02AM

<< Gee, nobody has bid on it.

-Amanda >>

Even without questions/concerns regarding the integrity of the holder, the minimum required bid of $8250 is other than enticing.

Connecticoin · September 9, 2006 8:03AM

<< The barcode is also an obvious fake. I hope the seller of that coin can sleep well at night.

>>

I just realized that string of "I's" was a lame attempt at duplicating a barcode (I thought is was the fake cert #)!

This is really a bad counterfeit, but not painfully obvious to the uninformed.

Leiana · September 9, 2006 8:05AM

<< 

<< Gee, nobody has bid on it.

-Amanda >>

Even without questions/concerns regarding the integrity of the holder, the minimum required bid of $8250 is other than enticing.

>>

I don't know how to price these things, Mark.

-Amanda

joeyuk · September 9, 2006 10:20AM

And the responce

Hi there, and thank you for your input. I sincerely appreciate your input, as I was not aware of the holder issues. I am acting as a third party seller on this item, and after your email, and verifying information, I have pulled this item. It is eBayers like you that help to make eBay a safe place to shop. Thanks so much !
Steve
Stacie1979stacie
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Thank you,
eBay

Whizzard · September 9, 2006 10:35AM

<< 

<< Gee, nobody has bid on it.

-Amanda >>

Even without questions/concerns regarding the integrity of the holder, the minimum required bid of $8250 is other than enticing.

>>

Once upon a time, "imascambuster" could be relied upon to bid upon such "bargains". I hope he is still around

joeyuk · September 9, 2006 10:39AM

I thought it was "scumnuker".

coinguy1 · September 9, 2006 10:42AM

<<Once upon a time, "imascambuster" could be relied upon to bid upon such "bargains". I hope he is still around >>

<< I thought it was "scumnuker". >>

You were both right. There are other interesting bidder names as well.

Connecticoin · September 9, 2006 10:45AM

Auction ended by seller!!

This was the third time it was listed (it did not sell the other two times -- big surprise!) --- I will check in a few days to make sure it does not show up again.

Conder101 · September 9, 2006 4:59PM

<< The white core with the ANACS hologram on the reverse is genuine. The insert/label has been replaced with a counterfeit. The outer clear plastic shell is also not of ANACS orgin >>

I'm not convinced that the white core is real either. On the real cores there is an ANACS logo molded into the lower corner on the reverse side. It may just be me but I don't see the logo on this core. The outer shell is also wrong and it is not likely a genuine core would fit into a fake outer shell.

Keep an eye out, where there is one fake like this there will probably be more. (If you see one that doesn't cost to much let me know!)

On Ebay: Fake ANACS Slab -- "MS67" Saint

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