What is the earliest intact original roll known?

291fifth · September 7, 2006 12:07AM

I wonder how many early rolls are still around?

DNADave · September 7, 2006 12:12AM

On a similar note: I've often wondered if there was ever a roll of 3 cent silvers? or some other odd denomination.

MrEureka · September 7, 2006 12:13AM

Would the rolls have to have been rolled in the year of issue? If so, would any Morgan rolls qualify? If not, can we roll some of the Bank of NY Fugios tomorrow and call it an original roll?

RichieURich · September 7, 2006 12:35AM

<< On a similar note: I've often wondered if there was ever a roll of 3 cent silvers? or some other odd denomination. >>

Good question. And are there roll wrappers for 3c silvers, 3c nickels, 2c pieces, 20c pieces, half cents and large cents? And how about all of the gold denominations?

291fifth · September 7, 2006 1:03AM

<< Would the rolls have to have been rolled in the year of issue? If so, would any Morgan rolls qualify? If not, can we roll some of the Bank of NY Fugios tomorrow and call it an original roll? >>

They would have to been rolled in the year of issue to qualify.

CaptHenway · September 7, 2006 1:13AM

Dennis Forgue here recalls a Stack's auction with an original roll of 1854 half cents.
TD

saintguru · September 7, 2006 1:22AM

I saw a cinnamon roll on Ebay that supposedly Queen Isabella disgarded. That's over 500 years.

dorkkarl · September 7, 2006 1:39AM

as of just a few years ago, there were at least 2 original rolls of 3cn's still in existence

K S

RichieURich · September 7, 2006 1:46AM

<< I saw a cinnamon roll on Ebay that supposedly Queen Isabella disgarded. That's over 500 years. >>

Sounds to me like that one would sell on eBay for more than the 10-year old cheese sandwich.

HighRelief · September 7, 2006 1:48AM

I still have two original rolls of 1953 Roosevelt dimes.

holeinone1972 · September 7, 2006 1:50AM

I have 2 rolls of 33 st gaudens so there !

LOL

HighRelief · September 7, 2006 1:56AM

<< I have 2 rolls of 33 st gaudens so there !

LOL >>

I will trade you two of my 1953 rolls for one of your 33 Saints

Barndog · September 7, 2006 1:58AM

you all have me beat, the only roll I have is a worthless mint roll of 1964 Peace Dollars

seanq · September 7, 2006 2:00AM

Several years ago I recall stacks auctioning off a couple of original rolls of 1909 VDB Lincolns, and I think there might have been a roll of 1909 Indian Cents in the same group.

Sean Reynolds

oreville · September 7, 2006 2:01AM

The paper roll was patented in 1921. There were "rolls" using other materials prior.

Of course, many uncirculated coins from the 19th century were stored in bags and later on rolled.

We have discussed this in an old thread right here.

MacCrimmon · September 7, 2006 2:06AM

<< The paper roll was patented in 1921. There were "rolls" using other materials prior.

Of course, many uncirculated coins from the 19th century were stored in bags and later on rolled.

We have discussed this in an old thread right here. >>

Ah great, that must mean there's an original 1921 St. G. roll out there somewhere.

coynclecter · September 7, 2006 2:09AM

<< I still have two original rolls of 1953 Roosevelt dimes >>

so do I, 2 rolls, it was my birth year and I still have them.

<< Several years ago I recall stacks auctioning off a couple of original rolls of 1909 VDB Lincolns, and I think there might have been a roll of 1909 Indian Cents in the same group. >>

I wouldn't be suprised to find they were purchased by John Stella (sp?). He seems to have a large number of 1909 cents(both indian and lincoln) in high grade and he always has them listed on Ebay. I bought a couple from him last year.

zzzz · September 7, 2006 2:09AM

I had a wild hair a few years back and put together a roll of S-VDB's

I know it wasn't an origonal roll but I thought it was neat

longtimecollector · September 7, 2006 2:09AM

What about "rolls" found in shipwrecks ????

Sporkadelic · September 7, 2006 2:32AM

And then there's Imperial German coinage. Surely you've all heard of the Kaiser roll.

AgMe · September 7, 2006 4:57AM

<< And then there's Imperial German coinage. Surely you've all heard of the Kaiser roll. >>

Leiana · September 7, 2006 5:09AM

<< And then there's Imperial German coinage. Surely you've all heard of the Kaiser roll. >>

-Amanda

Shamika · September 7, 2006 5:10AM

<< On a similar note: I've often wondered if there was ever a roll of 3 cent silvers? or some other odd denomination. >>

There was a thread on original rolls in the last year where someone gave a short history of a OBW roll (or two) of 3C silvers being acquired from a post office that was cleaning house and found it (them) in their safe. The buyer paid face for them even though he offered more. Turns out the postal employee couldn't accept above face value.

Where was I when this deal went down?

Julian · September 7, 2006 5:36AM

At the 1968 ANA in San Diego, I purchased what appeared to me to be an original roll of 1836 lettered edge halves.

They were in Wayte Raymond pages for storage, but they all looked very similar and I am virtually certain that it was an original roll.

bushmaster8 · September 7, 2006 5:47AM

I recall an original roll of seated dimes being broken up and auctioned about 20 years ago- can't recall the date of the dimes, maybe 1886?, they were high grade.

michael · September 7, 2006 6:00AM

there is a roll of original buried sesturcis in the musee de italia

Dennis88 · September 7, 2006 6:43AM

I remember that someone posted pics of an original Morgan roll here several years ago...

Other then that, no idea. But it's cool stuff to think about

Dennis

drwstr123 · September 7, 2006 7:14AM

An original half roll (They did do that) of 1915 Lincolns went up on eBay several years ago.

oreville · September 7, 2006 9:25AM

Here is are some very early patents on paper coin wrappers.

(1)
William John Morgan (Assignor of 1/2 to Louis Hubshman)
Pecksville, Pennsylvania
Coin Wrapper
Application Filed August 1, 1919
Patented April 20, 1920
Patent # 1,337,941

Mr. Morgan stated:
"An object of this invention is to provide a coin wrapper that can be opened sufficiently for viewing and counting the coins without fully breaking the package and at the same time be opened easily thereafter."

Pictures of the 1920 Coin Wrapper Patent - need ActiveX controls!

Very detailed description of the new coin wrapper as per Mr. Morgan

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(2)
Clement. L. Downey
Cincinnati, Ohio
Coin Wrapper
Application Filed September 25, 1919
Patented May 31, 1921
Patent # 1,379,751

1921 Coin Wrapper patent -be careful you need ActiveX control to see the picture!

Very detailed description of the new coin wrapper as per Mr. Downey - Again you need ActiveX controls!

pontiacinf · September 7, 2006 9:35AM

ok the name of the auction escapes me, but the recently auctioned estate of a banker from hawaaii supposedly was laiden with bank rolls, I remember people here discussing the possibility of a barber 1901-s roll being in that hoard, although I believe most discounted that statement

coinguy1 · September 7, 2006 9:44AM

<<ok the name of the auction escapes me, but the recently auctioned estate of a banker from hawaaii supposedly was laiden with bank rolls, I remember people here discussing the possibility of a barber 1901-s roll being in that hoard, although I believe most discounted that statement >>

Correctly so, with respect to the discounted part, it turns out. Apparently, many of the especially intriguing/exciting items/rolls rumored to be part of the Damon estate were simply rumors.

Michigan · September 7, 2006 9:47AM

I have heard of the existence of a roll of uncirculated 1916 standing liberty quarters. Long since broken up and sold seperately now
of course.

oreville · September 7, 2006 10:00AM

I hope everyone can pull up the information on the patents I posted.

This is a very useful list of all patents issued related to "coin wrapper" as issued by the US Patent and Trademark office. These can include devices for sorting and counting coins, etc.

The first one on the list is the newest patent issued. The last one on the list is the oldest patent I can find in the US Patent and Trademark database.

PAT. NO. Title
1 7,018,284 Apparatus for sorting and counting coins (March 28, 2006)
2 6,811,075 Coin wrapper and method of wrapping coins using coin wrapper
3 6,733,380 Coin wrapping attachments for a coin sorter
4 6,709,325 Tube for holding coins
5 6,663,482 Modular coin handling and sorting device
6 6,637,576 Currency processing machine with multiple internal coin receptacles
7 6,626,752 Device for sorting coins with a coin collection container configured as a sleeve container
8 6,585,581 Coin sorting apparatus with reciprocating coin pushing member
9 6,536,193 Manual coin wrapper crimper
10 6,524,179 Cylindrical coin bank
11 6,503,138 Method and apparatus for bag stopping in a small coin sorter
12 6,499,277 Coin wrapper
13 6,443,829 Coin sorting apparatus
14 6,374,573 Manual coin wrapper crimper
15 6,318,537 Currency processing machine with multiple internal coin receptacles
16 6,278,795 Multi-pocket currency discriminator
17 6,267,663 Modular coin handling and sorting apparatus
18 6,165,063 Coin sorting apparatus
19 6,151,779 Coin roll opener
20 6,099,401 Coin sorting apparatus
21 6,092,731 Easy opening money wrapper with graduated scale and bar code and a system and method for managing inventory of money using same
22 5,992,286 Apparatus for opening coin wrappers
23 5,940,623 Software loading system for a coin wrapper
24 5,902,178 Coin sorting apparatus
25 5,827,117 Coin sorter and packager
26 5,520,577 System for transporting and stacking coins
27 5,441,448 Coin counting and holding device
28 5,360,370 Coin management devices and method
29 5,135,435 System for transporting and stacking coins
30 5,090,179 Reusable coin counter and holding device
31 5,021,027 Coin computer with integral coin indicia
32 5,020,221 Pipe chamfer and deburring tool
33 4,958,797 Coin roll break device for protecting a tray wall of a compartment of a till tray
34 4,950,203 Coin counter and wrapper loading device
35 4,940,162 Rolled coin dispenser
36 4,911,685 Coin package
37 4,906,451 Indole stains
38 4,858,805 Method for opening a wrapped roll of coins
39 4,852,255 Device for opening a wrapped roll of coins
40 D301,930 Combined scoop and coin wrapper filler
41 4,781,010 Wrapping-paper feeding apparatus for use in coin wrapper
42 4,764,151 Pivotable coin loading apparatus
43 4,746,319 Count mechanism for coin dispensing machine
44 4,741,720 Coin loader
45 4,722,714 Coin packaging device
46 4,700,533 Device for stacking and wrapping coins
47 4,694,845 Coin counter and wrapper and method of counting and wrapping coins
48 4,669,252 Manual coin counter and packager
49 4,606,360 Counting and wrapping of coins
50 4,546,875 Coin wrapper
51 D280,369 Display rack for stationery sets
52 4,505,425 Tear out strip on coin tubes and coin wrappers
53 4,495,959 Coin counting device
54 4,442,850 Coin counter
55 4,407,314 Combined coin saver, counter and wrapper
56 4,407,313 Combined coin saver, counter and wrapper
57 4,382,330 Coin wrapper cutting tool
58 4,339,071 Coin bank
59 4,333,234 Paper slitting device
60 4,261,157 Coin wrapping device
61 4,244,157 Coin counter and wrapper filler
62 4,240,544 Coin holder
63 4,195,463 Coin wrapper discharge assembly
64 4,154,252 Device for use in the wrapping of coins
65 4,153,197 Coin bank
66 4,134,398 Surgical drape having improved retaining means
67 4,106,196 Coin wrapper cutting device
68 4,089,459 Coin wrapper
69 4,040,183 Coin roll opener
70 4,033,341 Surgical drape having improved retaining means
71 4,030,597 Coin container
72 4,027,665 Cardiovascular drape
73 3,999,563 Coin counter
74 3,967,435 Coin-stacking and counting device
75 3,962,847 Coin wrapping device
76 3,934,389 Coin counting and wrapping aid
77 3,910,549 Apparatus for depositing reinforcing members in a grating mold
78 3,908,525 Coin wrapper forming apparatus
79 3,830,142 COIN WRAPPER FORMING APPARATUS
80 3,825,200 MECHANISM FOR MOUNTING ROLL PAPER
81 3,799,428 TRANSPARENT COIN WRAPPER
82 3,781,987 DEVICE FOR SLITTING THE SIDEWALL OF A WRAPPING OF A ROLL OF COINS
83 3,780,419 METHOD FOR SEALING BALLOONS AND THE LIKE
84 3,775,940 COIN-GUIDING DEVICE IN COIN WRAPPER
85 3,760,562 COIN WRAPPING MACHINE
86 3,748,824 COIN PACKAGER
87 3,710,544 DEVICE FOR MEASURING COINS AND WRAPPING THEM IN ROLLS
88 3,669,131 COIN COUNTING AND ROLLING APPARATUS
89 3,650,085 AUTOMATIC COIN SORTING, COUNTING AND WRAPPING MACHINE
90 3,518,923 493/27 493/287 493/31 83/588 83/633 83/683
91 3,489,069 493/27 221/10 221/191 493/303 902/17
92 3,347,450 229/87.2
93 3,282,494 229/87.2
94 3,237,536 493/303 493/464 493/474
95 3,120,235 453/62 221/299 53/254
96 3,095,084 206/.83 229/87.2
97 3,092,304 229/87.2
98 2,574,660 53/51 53/213
99 2,567,531 453/59 53/508
100 2,273,942 53/76 53/201 53/217 53/285 53/500 53/508
101 2,260,150 229/87.2 283/62
102 2,205,283 229/87.2
103 2,194,904 229/87.2
104 2,042,022 229/87.2 33/1F
105 1,936,050 53/285
106 1,878,592 229/87.2 206/.8 229/87.06 229/92.5
107 1,861,310 211/55
108 1,717,669 229/87.2
109 1,629,625 53/285 123/196V
110 1,589,345 229/87.2
111 1,511,188 229/87.2 33/1F
112 1,420,285 229/87.2
113 1,405,296 229/87.2
114 1,379,751 229/87.2
115 1,337,941 229/87.2 (April 20, 1920)

Bodie · September 7, 2006 10:01AM

I have a 1976 Ester Rolle. If it's worth anything..I'm movin' on up!

Nic · September 7, 2006 10:10AM

I've owned an original roll of 1892 dimes. I've seen many rolls of earlier Indian cents. I've witnessed the results of earlier rolls of seated 1/2 dimes, dimes, and quarters brought to market. Who knows? Can't wait until it's broken ... wish it were mine

. K

jdimmick · September 7, 2006 10:48AM

Its been long since disperesed now, but I remember posting a thread sometime earlier this year about an original roll of half dimes that a local club member had. A long time freind and (my mentor )were sharing stories last year at a show where he asked me if I remembered the story, but I was too young to have been invloved at the time.
Heres the post :

Sunday May 14, 2006 3:31 PM

Just this weekend, I set up at a local 1st annual coin show. A long time freind and mentor who used to deal right regularly years ago shared a table with me (he's getting back into it after a quite a few years break). Anyay, we were sharing old stories and he asked me if I remembered years ago around early 80's when one of the local club members had brought in an original roll of 1853 Half Dimes. (i was too young and didnt). Apparently the dealer did not know they were unc's becuase they had charateristic strike weakness and was selling them for XF/AU money at the time and my freind bought several and submitted them to ANAB where they all came back between 62-64. I thought it was a neat story as I didnt know an original roll of half dimes existed.

jim

coinkat · September 7, 2006 10:56AM

There was a significant hoard of 1700 British shillings... that were in a bank vault that was discovered about 60 years ago... I don't know if they were in rolls.

seanq · September 7, 2006 11:14AM

This probably doesn't count toward the OP's question, but I remember a few years ago an auction featuring 50 1793 cents, a collector had accumulated them with the stated goal of eventually having a roll of them.

Sean Reynolds

yellowjacket · September 7, 2006 11:39AM

I have original bank-wrapped rolls of dimes: 1946, 1950, 1951, 1952 and 1953. The green paper has produced some beautiful blue colors on the end coins. I also have a 1938-S cent roll and a 1952 OBW roll of quarters. 62 total rolls but most are in tubes.

Flyfishguy · September 7, 2006 11:51AM

I've got an original bank wrapped roll of 1947 P Lincolns right here on my deak. I was thinking about ebaying them..

yellowjacket · September 7, 2006 12:11PM

Flyfishguy,

1947 Lincolns are very scarce in 66 and downright rare in 67. If they are nice, send them in to PCGS for grading. I had three half-rolls of OBW 1947s. I sent in the best 25 of the 75 coins. The twenty-one 66s I sold for $50-75 each. The one 67 helped to pay for much of my daughter's wedding!

Flyfishguy · September 7, 2006 12:21PM

I may need the wedding help. I still have 3 daughters at home.....
All beautiful, all straight A students, all playing sports, all playing violin, all active in church. And, the 10 year old earned over $500 at her lemonade stand this summer.

roadrunner · September 7, 2006 12:25PM

In 1988 a local dealer in my area had 15 or so orig 1854 large cents come into his store. The majority of the coins were full red gems.
While not quite a roll it was an interesting find to say the least.
No doubt they were kept together for many decades.

roadrunner

oreville · September 7, 2006 1:23PM

1947 obw cent rolls?

I thought they were pretty common. I must have 4 or 5 of those obw 1947-P rolls from a long time ago (10-20 years ago).

Heck, I bought one or two of them from Wayne Herndon about 5-6 years ago when they were still cheap. That was my most recent purchase of them. Since then, I have not looked.

Will I break them open?

No way!

seanq · September 7, 2006 1:51PM

I bought a partial roll of 1947 cents at an auction once and found two Doubled Die Obverses in the group (I don't have my CPG in front of me but I think they are FS-021.3). I sold them both to Kevin Flynn right before my wedding and one of them wound up pictured in his Authoritative Guide to Lincoln Cents.

Sean Reynolds

Conder101 · September 8, 2006 4:54PM

In the Breen half cent book I seem to recall there was a picture of an original roll of 1833 half cents. I do not recall whether or not the roll wrapper is shown or not.

Frankcoins · September 8, 2006 9:58PM

<< The paper roll was patented in 1921. There were "rolls" using other materials prior.

Of course, many uncirculated coins from the 19th century were stored in bags and later on rolled.

We have discussed this in an old thread right here. >>

A 1901 patent for a machine to wrap coins in paper rolls seems to indicate that they were MANUALLY rolled earlier

dtkk49a · September 8, 2006 10:53PM

I see some original rolls in this picture - do they count ?

veryfine · September 9, 2006 12:58AM

I remember hearing about original rolls of 1883 NC liberty Nickels within the last 30 years. Have they all been broken up?

Coxe · September 9, 2006 5:44AM

<< Dennis Forgue here recalls a Stack's auction with an original roll of 1854 half cents.
TD >>

Modern crap.

RWB · September 9, 2006 5:53AM

to zzz:

In 1909 the sub-treasury in Washington DC dispensed the first Lincoln-VDB cents in small manila envelopes containing 25 coins. One of those could be considered an "original package" of the cents.

What is the earliest intact original roll known?

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