Another "Before and After" thread .... have you ever dipped a coin?

Craton · September 1, 2006 5:46AM

I have and have NO issues with doing so. I have no issues with others doing so IF they know what they are doing!

Sorry for the bad scan ...... BEFORE:

AFTER:

Another:

Leiana · September 1, 2006 5:47AM

Holy crap that's a nice Frankie.

-Amanda

Craton · September 1, 2006 5:48AM

<< Holy crap that's a nice Frankie.

-Amanda >>

Yes it is ........ it was crap inside that ANACS slab. I had to free it and carefully/safely bring out it's true beauty.

Leiana · September 1, 2006 5:48AM

<< Holy crap that's a nice Frankie.

-Amanda >>

EDIT- I'm such a hypocrite.

Leiana · September 1, 2006 5:49AM

<< 

<< Holy crap that's a nice Frankie.

-Amanda >>

Yes it is ........ it was crap inside that ANACS slab. I had to free it and carefully/safely bring out it's true beauty. >>

It's beautiful, certainly.

-Amanda

rays · September 1, 2006 5:54AM

<< 

<< Holy crap that's a nice Frankie.

-Amanda >>

Yes it is ........ it was crap inside that ANACS slab. I had to free it and carefully/safely bring out it's true beauty. >>

Did you dip it yourself, Jason?

Connecticoin · September 1, 2006 5:55AM

Craton, did you use Jeweluster on both of those?

The Morgan was fugly and a no-brainer dip.

The Frankie I am on the fence on -- the toning did not look that bad, but it looks like it was hazed. If there was no haze, I would likely keep it as is.

The real dilema is 19th century proofs that are hazed but still look OK -- those are dipped to get upgrades, but the resulting coin looks like a modern, like all those proof gold coins on the Albanese web site.

Craton · September 1, 2006 5:58AM

<< 

<< 

<< Holy crap that's a nice Frankie.

-Amanda >>

Yes it is ........ it was crap inside that ANACS slab. I had to free it and carefully/safely bring out it's true beauty. >>

Did you dip it yourself, Jason? >>

Shaaah.......

Craton · September 1, 2006 5:59AM

<< Craton, did you use Jeweluster on both of those?

The Morgan was fugly and a no-brainer dip.

The Frankie I am on the fence on -- the toning did not look that bad, but it looks like it was hazed. If there was no haze, I would likely keep it as is.

The real dilema is 19th century proofs that are hazed but still look OK -- those are dipped to get upgrades, but the resulting coin looks like a modern, like all those proof gold coins on the Albanese web site. >>

The Franklin was so hazed over that even ANACS didn't see the cameo contrast. I did so I cracked it and took care of it.

Russ · September 1, 2006 6:05AM

<< Holy crap that's a nice Frankie.

-Amanda >>

Amanda said crap.

Russ, NCNE

Leiana · September 1, 2006 6:05AM

<< 

<< Holy crap that's a nice Frankie.

-Amanda >>

Amanda said crap.

Russ, NCNE >>

I should get bammed for that.

-Amanda

DennisH · September 1, 2006 6:06AM

Jason:

Those are beautiful coins now!

Russ · September 1, 2006 6:06AM

BTW, Craton, don't you realize that you ruined an "original" coin? You're not being a good caretaker for the next generation of collectors.

Russ, NCNE

Leiana · September 1, 2006 6:07AM

<< BTW, Craton, don't you realize that you ruined an "original" coin? You're not being a good caretaker for the next generation of collectors.

Russ, NCNE >>

Thus my feelings of hypocrisy for liking it so much.

-Amanda

Tonedbuff · September 1, 2006 6:08AM

Wow! I think I'll take up dipping some of my proof frankies!
Honestly, what is the best and safest product and proscribed method for dipping?

Craton · September 1, 2006 6:10AM

<< Wow! I think I'll take up dipping some of my proof frankies!
Honestly, what is the best and safest product and proscribed method for dipping? >>

Practice ............

mdwoods · September 1, 2006 6:11AM

Good eye Jason. That Frankie is wonderful.

Craton · September 1, 2006 6:11AM

<< BTW, Craton, don't you realize that you ruined an "original" coin? You're not being a good caretaker for the next generation of collectors.

Russ, NCNE >>

Heh

xbob · September 1, 2006 6:15AM

I have and don't have problems with it either. Mostly just low value coins, especially when I was "learning how to do it right". Unattractive coins deserve a chance IMHO.

I think the reason so many look down on dipping is that it's probably used when not needed way way too often, and can destroy luster, leaving a coin more unattractive. As you know, every second (or fraction of) a coin is in dip is critical. Practice is important.

You did a great job with yours Craton! If anybody who says the before coins are better looking, they need to get their eyes checked.

Russ · September 1, 2006 6:16AM

Here's one I ruined:

I, too, am I bad caretaker. I feel so guilty.

Russ, NCNE

Leiana · September 1, 2006 6:17AM

Russ, the second one looks so much better. My standards are crashing down upon me.

-Amanda

Russ · September 1, 2006 6:17AM

PS: That one started as an MS65CAM worth $35 and ended as an MS67DCAM worth $800 (maybe more for a BM nut).

Russ, NCNE

AU58WALKERS · September 1, 2006 6:20AM

<< 

<< Holy crap that's a nice Frankie.

-Amanda >>

Yes it is ........ it was crap inside that ANACS slab. I had to free it and carefully/safely bring out it's true beauty. >>

Please elaborate.
VERY NICE RESULT!

Russ · September 1, 2006 6:21AM

<< Russ, the second one looks so much better. My standards are crashing down upon me. >>

There is a place in this hobby for careful conservation.

Would you rather have this coin?

Or, this one?

Russ, NCNE

Tonedbuff · September 1, 2006 6:23AM

<< 

<< Wow! I think I'll take up dipping some of my proof frankies!
Honestly, what is the best and safest product and proscribed method for dipping? >>

Practice ............ >>

OOOkkkayyy....
Practice using what?
Better products, worse products... looking for input.
I actually have some hazy proof franks.

I also have a PR65 Ultra CAM that has a bit of something on it (snot or something, I'm sure). Wondering if it will dip off and help me move the coin up a grade or two.

MacCrimmon · September 1, 2006 6:30AM

<< 

<< 

<< Holy crap that's a nice Frankie.

-Amanda >>

Amanda said crap.

Russ, NCNE >>

I should get bammed for that.

-Amanda >>

YNs must type crap as, cr@p.

You're excused now.

IGWT · September 1, 2006 6:30AM

Don't get sucked in, Amanda!

Change the way you look at things instead of trying to change the way things look.

MacCrimmon · September 1, 2006 6:34AM

<< Don't get sucked in, Amanda!

Change the way you look at things instead of trying to change the way things look. >>

Be careful Amanda, or the Forum will start MOCking you. Same for you Craton and Russ.

MacCrimmon · September 1, 2006 6:35AM

<< 

<< Russ, the second one looks so much better. My standards are crashing down upon me. >>

There is a place in this hobby for careful conservation.

Would you rather have this coin?

Or, this one?

Russ, NCNE >>

Don't you just love those Teletrade RIPs?

Leiana · September 1, 2006 6:38AM

<< Don't get sucked in, Amanda!

Change the way you look at things instead of trying to change the way things look. >>

Sage advice.

Russ, I forgive you for dipping Modern Cr@p™

-Amanda

PS- I would rather have the second Frankie from the images, but I would have had to see it in hand before it was dipped to make an educated decision.

Russ · September 1, 2006 6:40AM

<< Don't you just love those Teletrade RIPs? >>

That one was a triple play.

Russ, NCNE

robertpr · September 1, 2006 7:08AM

<< 

<< Russ, the second one looks so much better. My standards are crashing down upon me. >>

There is a place in this hobby for careful conservation.

Would you rather have this coin?

Or, this one?

Russ, NCNE >>

The first one, if I'm buying. The second, if I'm selling. Russ, you're my hero

Dave99B · September 1, 2006 7:20AM

My opinion: Dipping is a short-term solution.

Give any of these coins a decade or two and they’ll look worse than the original examples. Keep dipping them and you'll end up with slugs.

Dave

AU58WALKERS · September 1, 2006 7:22AM

<< My opinion: Dipping is a short-term solution.

Give any of these coins a decade or two and they’ll look worse than the original examples. Keep dipping them and you'll end up with slugs.

Dave >>

Russ · September 1, 2006 7:34AM

<< Give any of these coins a decade or two and they’ll look worse than the original examples. >>

Horse crap.

Russ, NCNE

Coindexter · September 1, 2006 7:48AM

Russ, could you tell from the picture that the Kennedy was a BM die before you bought it? I can't see it in that image for the life of me. Unless that purchase was made live, your skills are nearing legendary status.

Coindexter · September 1, 2006 7:49AM

Also folks, the way I see it, if you leave a coin nicer than you found it you're doing future numismatists a favor. I don't see any coins in this thread that were a step backwards.

Russ · September 1, 2006 7:52AM

<< Russ, could you tell from the picture that the Kennedy was a BM die before you bought it? >>

I pegged it for a DCAM, but had no idea it was a BM. That was lucky icing on the cake.

Russ, NCNE

Dave99B · September 1, 2006 8:02AM

Give any of these coins a decade or two and they’ll look worse than the original examples.

Horse crap.

Russ, NCNE

Reality....

Dave

coinman420 · September 1, 2006 8:37AM

c`mon. give it up. what was used to dip? will acetone give these results? inquiring minds want to know...

AU58WALKERS · September 1, 2006 8:38AM

<< c`mon. give it up. what was used to dip? will acetone give these results? inquiring minds want to know... >>

Was the dip diluted??

Craton · September 1, 2006 9:14AM

<< 

<< 

<< Wow! I think I'll take up dipping some of my proof frankies!
Honestly, what is the best and safest product and proscribed method for dipping? >>

Practice ............ >>

OOOkkkayyy....
Practice using what?
Better products, worse products... looking for input.
I actually have some hazy proof franks.

I also have a PR65 Ultra CAM that has a bit of something on it (snot or something, I'm sure). Wondering if it will dip off and help me move the coin up a grade or two. >>

First off you have to be able to look at a coin and know whether a fast quick dip will improve the coin or not. No sense in taking an ugly coin and have the results be an ugly coin.
Some people use a diluted jewel luster type dip (dilluted with water) or a straight dip .... either way, you have be be FAST and you have to rinse the coin or you'll ruin it .......

Dipping coins is NOT cleaning coins in my opinion........... Cleaning coins RUINS coins .... you can certainly though ruin a coin by dipping it.

Your coin with the spot of "snot" I'll assume is a dark deep spot ...... dip probably wouldn't remove it totally.

Russ · September 1, 2006 9:18AM

<< First off you have to be able to look at a coin and know whether a fast quick dip will improve the coin or not. >>

This point cannot be emphasized enough. Many coins cannot be improved and, in fact, might be made worse. And, the only way to learn it is to handle a lot of coins.

That is why I will not publically divulge my methods.

Russ, NCNE

coinman420 · September 1, 2006 9:21AM

i have a bunch of proof quarters from the 70`s and 80`s with light but distracting haze... i didn`t want to risk ruining them so i just let them be. i wouldn`t mind if it were nice NT but the haze kills any appeal.

Derek2100 · September 1, 2006 10:37AM

super job

Craton · September 1, 2006 12:05PM

Any other comments or specimens to share?

Connecticoin · September 1, 2006 12:22PM

<< Give any of these coins a decade or two and they’ll look worse than the original examples.

Horse crap.

Russ, NCNE

Reality....

Dave >>

Wrong, Dave. The Teletrade coins turned in the holder because they were submitted in a crappy "softflip" with PVC.

If you stabilize the surfaces properly, as Russ does, they will stay that way for the forseeable future.

AZLARRY · September 1, 2006 12:32PM

Russ how does NCS do on preserving proofs?

Russ · September 1, 2006 12:40PM

<< Russ how does NCS do on preserving proofs? >>

They do an outstanding job. I send them the ones that I don't think I can improve myself. They're able, for example, to significantly reduce glue spotting, (not milk spotting, which is impossible for anyone). That's something I've never figured out how to do.

Russ, NCNE

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