1928 Peace Dollar Opions... BACK from ANACS

Smoker · July 10, 2006 1:17PM

I've been selling odds and ends like govt. boxed proof coins, etc., on eBay and want to sell this 1928 Peace dollar, but I'm not sure if it's been cleaned or tampered with and don't want to rip anyone off.

What can you tell me by these scans? Also, I forgot what grade it's supposed to be (I think AU58 or MS60?) so if you don't mind giving me opinions on these questions. Thanks.

Newb · July 10, 2006 1:18PM

strong MSredx

eyoung429 · July 10, 2006 1:20PM

bad link.......

Smoker · July 10, 2006 1:24PM

Sorry. I had image lifting from my site blocked. I'm on it now.

Appears a timely error by my host to undo the blocking.

Sorry about this.

Smoker · July 10, 2006 6:17PM

bump (got the scans to post)

Connecticoin · July 10, 2006 7:14PM

From the scan, it looks like the coin may have been lighly cleaned, but might still holder. Grade looks AU-ish.

morgannut2 · July 10, 2006 7:34PM

I'd be less worried about ripping off others, and more about ripping off yourself! As is, many bidders will assume it's a cleaned coin with problems--or worse. Perhaps a couple hundred bucks. But if it's graded by ANACS (pretty inexpensive) and comes back AU-and genuine---it could easily fetch several hundred more-- and in MS63/4 you stand realize much,much more. When bidding gets up there, people want a guarantee that it's a real 28-P, not a cheap junk 1928-S that had the S removed--so get it certified (see certification thread)

ABC123 · July 10, 2006 9:42PM

Looks Cleaned !

Leiana · July 10, 2006 11:34PM

I'm gonna say it looks more like an EF. The hair on her head shows some flatness and you can't see all the strands you should. Especially above her eye. On the reverse side I see wear on the eagle's head and the front of the wings (On the right). Also in the talons. It doesn't look cleaned to me. But all this I see could be the fault of the scans or scanner. Photographs are so much better for grading coins. Best of luck!

-Amanda

Connecticoin · July 11, 2006 12:16AM

<< <i>I'd be less worried about ripping off others, and more about ripping off yourself! As is, many bidders will assume it's a cleaned coin with problems--or worse. Perhaps a couple hundred bucks. But if it's graded by ANACS (pretty inexpensive) and comes back AU-and genuine---it could easily fetch several hundred more-- and in MS63/4 you stand realize much,much more. When bidding gets up there, people want a guarantee that it's a real 28-P, not a cheap junk 1928-S that had the S removed--so get it certified (see certification thread) >>

Agreed. For a key date coin like that, certification will likely maximize its value when sold.

Smoker · July 11, 2006 6:38AM

These are photos taken in filtered sunlight, no flash, 1.3 MP camera:

lkenefic · July 11, 2006 6:51AM

The new pics look better to me. I'd say it could go AU55 but I agree with Morgannut that you should try to get it certified before selling it. I'm balking at a raw 1928 because I think I see tool marks in the field where an "S" might have been...or it could be just an unlucky bag mark. Certainly getting ANACS to tell the difference is worth your while.

lkenefic · July 11, 2006 6:52AM

...BTW...welcome to the forum!

JJM · July 11, 2006 6:53AM

55, maybe cleaned, but what hasnt been !....put it out there.............

jdimmick · July 11, 2006 7:30AM

Your first photo made me fell Xf-45', however with the additional photo's, I believe you could see the AU-53 grade.

Smoker · July 11, 2006 8:01AM

Thanks everyone. It's on it's way to ANACS. I'll let you know the results in a couple of weeks.

Jeff

LincolnCentMan · July 11, 2006 8:10AM

Looks XF45 to me.

David

DennisH · July 11, 2006 8:17AM

AU50/53

Coxe · July 11, 2006 8:48AM

With Peace dollar strikes, it is nearly impossible to differentiate between AU and MS from images. It looks like rub on the eagle's head and possibly in the hair above Liberty's eye. If that is so, XF to AU obviously. AU53? AU55? Anyone who can say with serious granularity from images needs to look at more Peace dollars and their images. They are guesses at best. Might have been dipped in the past and started to retone but that is not obvious. No other obvious signs of cleaning. The eagle's head is the most suspect point.

D · July 11, 2006 8:55AM

Looks Forty-Five.

-Daniel

lkenefic · July 11, 2006 9:25AM

Coxe is absolutely right about the strikes on these things. I've been looking at more of them since my daughter has taken a fancy to Peace Dollars and the specimens with full strikes are definitely fewer and further between. They also command somewhat of a premium.

L

messydesk · July 11, 2006 9:33AM

28-S usually has a crappy strike. 28-P has a below-average strike for Philadelphia, but still decent compared to the truly weak strike dates. Doesn't look like an altered 28-S.

Has some luster, but noticeable wear, so I'll say AU50. Possibly cleaned, possibly not. There's not a lot of spread in price between EF (or VF for that matter) and AU. Still, a trip to ANACS should remove all doubt of its authenticity.

mcheath · July 11, 2006 9:39AM

coin looks au53 to me. very good descion to send to anacs. i would never consider buying a key date raw.

Coxe · July 11, 2006 9:45AM

John B is right about the valuation profile of circulated 28-P dollars. Unless one is assembling a grading set, it is best to just wait for a lower MS one with a nice strike and choice eye appeal for the grade to get better value for the bucks.

Smoker · August 25, 2006 8:58PM

Thanks for advising me to use ANACS. I'm real happy with the grade and that it hasn't been cleaned. You guys/gals were pretty good at grading my lousy images.

I bought a new camera, but I'm still the same old photographer

Smoker · August 28, 2006 5:36AM

Look what I found today from the late 1980s . . .

taxbuster1040 · August 28, 2006 8:06AM

If this is the same coin, it says alot about Anacs and loosening grading standards... dont Ya think?

BlindedByEgo · August 28, 2006 9:13AM

<< <i>If this is the same coin, it says alot about Anacs and loosening grading standards... dont Ya think? >>

What it says to me is that I need to look for more of those old ANACS graded coins.

coinkat · August 28, 2006 10:01AM

I think the original ANACS card just may be accurate...

Smoker · August 28, 2006 10:05AM

It's the same coin. I left the hobby around 1991 and returned this year. I started this thread because I thought I remembered something about this coin being cleaned and wasn't sure. Now, I'm still not sure. Doesn't ANACS use a grading set? I don't understand how a numerical grade could vary so much.

MikeInFL · August 28, 2006 10:27AM

<< <i>It's the same coin. I left the hobby around 1991 and returned this year. I started this thread because I thought I remembered something about this coin being cleaned and wasn't sure. Now, I'm still not sure. Doesn't ANACS use a grading set? I don't understand how a numerical grade could vary so much. >>

Do a search on "gradeflation" -- in short 1991's XF45's have become today's AU50's and AU55's....Mike

Smoker · August 28, 2006 10:43AM

Before I look it up, should MS & proof coins from back then grade higher now? With the top grading services? Do coins in old holders bring a premium? I want to start a new thread using these two cert. photos to start off.

tsacch · August 28, 2006 10:55AM

NIce thread. I had an old barber half by Anacs that I sent in...cleaned ms60, bet its a 63 today...wish I didnt trade it for some indians and a gold piece.

Connecticoin · August 28, 2006 11:03AM

<< <i>Before I look it up, should MS & proof coins from back then grade higher now? With the top grading services? Do coins in old holders bring a premium? I want to start a new thread using these two cert. photos to start off. >>

You really just need to look at the coin and grade it yourself. A good chunk of these were may have been undergraded, but a good chunk that are LEFT may not be undergraded (or even overgraded) as one has to believe a good number of the undergraded ones were already cracked. As always, buy the coin, not the holder. In this case, it may have been a combo of the coin being undergraded back then, and standards loosening somewhat over the past 25 years.

Also, because a coin was cleaned/dipped does not mean it gets bagged, or deserves to get bagged. A very lightly cleaned AU coin that has decent luster usually will get holdered, which appears to be the case with your 1928 Peace Dollar.

SamByrd · August 28, 2006 1:07PM

my opinion its a light cleaning victim, not bad at all and a fair grade for the detail. How many peace dollars have not been cleaned at some point, you will have no problem selling that coin on ebay.

1928 Peace Dollar Opions... BACK from ANACS

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