Attn: Peace VAM experts - need your trained eye

MisterG · August 25, 2006 10:26AM

Greetings all. I am new to this message board.

I had sent an image of a 1922-P Peace dollar reverse to Rob Joyce in the hopes he could attribute a VAM number to it.

He was gracious with his time and effort (Thanks RJ!) but was unable to pin it down but said both marks were from a strongly clashed die.
And so he led me here...I have attached an image and could provide additional ones if people need them.

The PUP's are: A single shoulder spike and by the olive branch a clash? or gouge?

I never saw an image of VAM-1J-'Die gouge lower olive branch' so I can't say. My guess is a clash though.

Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance,
George

DorkGirl · August 25, 2006 10:29AM

I vote clash

robertpr · August 25, 2006 11:06AM

I don't know about VAMS but

jdsinva · August 25, 2006 11:07AM

I have one with the identical clash marks. Those are kind of like the wreath clash marks that Morgans get, common and not really significant in themselves.

Coxe · August 25, 2006 11:09AM

It is a clash. For some reason, knowledgeable folks not into VAMs want to argue about it though. Just look in the VAM book (bottom right of pg 421 of the 4th edition).

MisterG · August 25, 2006 12:04PM

Thanks to all posters.

Does your reply mean it has a VAM number or that it's in some kind of VAM limbo?

Peaceman · August 25, 2006 12:44PM

George,

In order for a Peace $ that has a "spiked shoulder" (clash mark from an obverse impression) to "qualify" for a vam it has to either:

1) Go up into the lettering (a single clash qualifies).
2) Be doubled or even trippled.

You can see in this photo where the clash mark is from

Here's a spiked shoulder that qualifies as a VAM

VamGuy · August 25, 2006 12:47PM

Ok, first things first, your coin has a b2 reverse die so there is no possibility of a VAM 1J.

Coxe is quite right in stating that the worm like squigly is a clash mark. Unfortunately, the mark has no significance. The spike above the eagle's shoulder is rather common. According to Leroy Van Allen, it only becomes significant and worthy of a new VAM number if it crosses into one of the letters above the shoulder, or if there are two or more spikes.

There is a high likelyhood that this coin is just a common VAM 2 with a die clash, however in-hand attribution would be necessary to rule out other VAM varieties with die gouges and faint doubled dies.

VamGuy · August 25, 2006 12:47PM

Dammit Steve. Quit typing so fast.

MisterG · August 26, 2006 1:45AM

Well... I certainly came to the right place for information! The posts were VAMtastic -

Thanks again to all the responders and thanks for the warm welcome.
I really appreciate your time and effort.

Sincerely,
George

Bit by the coin collecting bug in 1969 (Age 9) - received an SLQ in change after buying an ice cream sandwich - everybody here can figure out the rest

Attn: Peace VAM experts - need your trained eye

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