Would (Or Has) The Current Situation With The ANA Affect Your Decision
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To join, renew your membership, or become a life member of the ANA?
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<< <i>To join, renew your membership, or become a life member of the ANA? >>
The "gag" order that the new board members have to agree with is going to doom any reform effort right from the start.
Several well meaning people who have run in the past on a "reform" platform have been silenced.
If someone can figure out a way to get around this I would like to know what it is.
<< <i>If someone can figure out a way to get around this I would like to know what it is. >>
The only thing I can think of is to rally behind Board candidates who pledge to do away with this secrecy, get them elected and hold them to their promises.
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<< <i>If someone can figure out a way to get around this I would like to know what it is. >>
The only thing I can think of is to rally behind Board candidates who pledge to do away with this secrecy, get them elected and hold them to their promises. >>
It is going to take a group of people who will stand up to the executive director and tell him that things are going to change
and not back down.
-Amanda
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<< <i>I get the feeling I've missed something. What is all the ruckus about?
Link to story.
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<< <i>Some of the group’s 32,000-plus members blame the turmoil on Christopher Cipoletti, a LAWYER who took the helm as executive director in 2003. >>
Nuff said.
<< <i>There are a couple other threads with the same topic. >>
With all the threads about the show, I must have overlooked it when doing the search. I'm posing the question because my regular membership expires soon and I had been contemplating a life membership but have decided against it for now.
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Surprised he hasn't considered a requirement to sign an oath of loyalty to renew your ANA membership too.
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<< <i>There are a couple other threads with the same topic. >>
With all the threads about the show, I must have overlooked it when doing the search. I'm posing the question because my regular membership expires soon and I had been contemplating a life membership but have decided against it for now. >>
I dropped my membership years ago. The crap going on there now is the same crap that's been going on for many years. Just the faces are different.
I know one prominent dealer that resigned his lifetime membership last year because of their shenanigans only to have it refused!
Their problems are systemic and it's going to take some real work to clean it up before it goes over the cliff.
<< <i>I'm going to vote the bums out in the next election. I don't what I can do about the director, though. >>
I agree, 100% turnover MAY get their attention.
<< <i>I think the problems aren't nearly as bad as some would think. Regardless, I'll always be a member, if for no other reason than to have a greater role in improving the organization. >>
I feel the same. I can't have a voice if I don't belong, and I believe that there is a need for a strong ANA. It's important to have an organization which can speak for the collecting community at large.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>To join, renew your membership, or become a life member of the ANA? >>
As a member of the ANA since 1991 (and a life member since 2000), the troubles with the ANA is a wake-up call to those who are concerned about the direction of the hobby (and the direction of the ANA), membership in the ANA is a must to help create change. I know that there are those on this forum who know that I have been raising a stink about the ANA problems, and there are those who want me to shut up about the subject. To think that all's well in Colorado Springs and we need not worry about the secretive activities of the ANA board. That is pure, 100% BULLOCKS!!!!!. For one, if you want change in the ANA and also really make a difference in the direction of the hobby, it would be foolish not to join. I look at it this way - if one person, or, if one group wants to make a difference in the direction of the "king of hobbies", I'd rather be a member and make it happen than be somone who is not a member and do nothing.
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<< <i>If someone can figure out a way to get around this I would like to know what it is. >>
The only thing I can think of is to rally behind Board candidates who pledge to do away with this secrecy, get them elected and hold them to their promises. >>
It is going to take a group of people who will stand up to the executive director and tell him that things are going to change
and not back down. >>
<< <i>Only corruption breads secrecy....does not belong in Numismatics....will only destroy it. >>
Don't forget - ABSOLUTE POWER ABSOLUTELY CORRUPTS!
<< <i>All I know about the ANA is they were severly annoying with all their talking and speaches before they opened the doors in Denver on Tuesday. Dealers inside waiting, collectors outside waiting and we gotta listen to a dozen stiffs in cardboard suits go on and on about how great they and their organization are.
Just open the flood gates and let me in already >>
I just walked up the stairs and went by all that.
I like the magazine and the ANA Library loan program, so I don't care what they do politically as long as those two benefits are intact.
<< <i>Before Cipoletti became executive director, the ANA required its nine-member, elected board of governors to sign a pledge of confidentiality to safeguard auctioneering bids and other contracts. Cipoletti has extended the concept to volunteers and staff.
Surprised he hasn't considered a requirement to sign an oath of loyalty to renew your ANA membership too. >>
What would the volunteers and staff have that is so top secret? They pretty much know NOTHING! Making them sign a confidentiality agreement is no different than making a citizen of China pledge that they are a Communist even though he does not agree to any of their ideology. It is just wrong.
<< <i>I'm going to vote the bums out in the next election. I don't what I can do about the director, though. >>
Hey, Longacre - can I get your vote? Think very seriously about running (once I reviewed the election rules and all that stuff.)
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With all the threads about the show, I must have overlooked it when doing the search. I'm posing the question because my regular membership expires soon and I had been contemplating a life membership but have decided against it for now. >>
Tassa - How come? If I were you, I'd get the Life Membership just in case the ANA gets stupid and raises them. Its been $1,000 for about a couple of years (from $750) - now, if been a member of the ANA for a number of years, you can get a reduction on your dues - I believe $10 for every year as a member. So if you've been a member for, lets say, 5 years, the cost of a life membership is $950 - $50 savings. Check with their membership department on this. I took the plunge in 2000 and my life membership was $660 (for being a member 9 years at the $750 rate).
<< <i>I like the magazine.
-Amanda >>
Remember this fund raising fiasco from last year?
Pretty much killed by member outrage and bad publicity. How dare they publish my information with an opt-out plan rather than express permission?
There are alot of good reasons to still be an ANA member. Not the least of which is the ANA number. Fact is I buy alot of coins for my collection site unseen. I would not consider buying from a dealer without an ANN number.
I also get access to discounted insurance by being a member so for that reason alone, I will continue to pay the annual member fee.
But there are definite reasons to be skeptical of this ANA under the auspices of the Cipoletti administration.
BTW: I like the magazine too Amanda
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-Amanda
I'm a YN working on a type set!
My Buffalo Nickel Website Home of the Quirky Buffaloes Collection!
Proud member of the CUFYNA
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-Amanda >>
Remember this fund raising fiasco from last year?
Pretty much killed by member outrage and bad publicity. How dare they publish my information with an opt-out plan rather than express permission?
There are alot of good reasons to still be an ANA member. Not the least of which is the ANA number. Fact is I buy alot of coins for my collection site unseen. I would not consider buying from a dealer without an ANN number.
I also get access to discounted insurance by being a member so for that reason alone, I will continue to pay the annual member fee.
But there are definite reasons to be skeptical of this ANA under the auspices of the Cipoletti administration.
BTW: I like the magazine too Amanda
Ah, the ANA Member Directory - one in a line of bad ideas and money-making schemes which make you wonder if the board learned their antics from a guy by the last name of Ponzi (as in Ponzi Scheme)
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<< <i>Seriously, now that the ANA is in the spotlight, I think 'we' as collectors and dealers should be donating to the ANA far more!
Only when the board members (bums as I call them) and "Little Chris" Cipoletti are gone that people will start donating again.
I didn't see a ton of benefits to me, but figured there would be something useful and I could support the hobby.
Then, this ANA scandal hit. I have not joined.
I have no desire to join currently.
They win NO members by their actions and they LOSE potential members (as well as current ones).
Name someone who renewed membership or joined because of their recent headlines (either the naming of the museum I believe it was or the ousting of their board member in the related scandal).
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<< <i>I was so disgusted by their antics that I almost didn't but I decided to join anyway hoping that I could help throw the bums out. So when does the next election come around? >>
I am seriously pondering running for the ANA Board (and as of right now, I am leaning towards that direction.)
Its time to end the bollocks and throw the bums out!!!!!!!!!!
<< <i>I was so disgusted by their antics that I almost didn't but I decided to join anyway hoping that I could help throw the bums out. So when does the next election come around? >>
That's the spirit!
I'm not a LM but I know someone on this thread who is.
After all it is a member Association and only members can foment change.
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<< <i>I was so disgusted by their antics that I almost didn't but I decided to join anyway hoping that I could help throw the bums out. So when does the next election come around? >>
That's the spirit!
I'm not a LM but I know someone on this thread who is.
After all it is a member Association and only members can foment change.
Are you a member?
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After all it is a member Association and only members can foment change.
Are you a member? >>
Not an LM. I renew annually. And I vote!
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After all it is a member Association and only members can foment change.
Are you a member? >>
Not an LM. I renew annually. And I vote!
So do I, and the clowns on the board will have to deal with me really soon!
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So do I, and the clowns on the board will have to deal with me really soon!
I'm with you!
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<< <i>I've decided not to renew my membership this year. I'll join if 1)I see that there are enough elected Governors engaging their action plan to educate or protect coin buyers, and 2) if the ANA appoints an experienced numismatist instead of a lawyer as executive director. >>
It seems to me that Cipoletti is a fairly accomplished lawyer and legal mind. His role as ANA Counsil is his real forte. But occupying both the role of ANA Counsil and ANA Executive Director is most definitely a a conflict of interest, IMHO. At a time when membership is on the rise and cash should be flowing into the association, we are hemmorhidging cash! Can you believe that at a time when the Hobby is enjoying its acme of popularity that our Association has produced 4 consecutive years of Red Ink? Methinks the lawyer should stick to lawyering and let a real manager man the helm as ED.
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<< <i>I've decided not to renew my membership this year. I'll join if 1)I see that there are enough elected Governors engaging their action plan to educate or protect coin buyers, and 2) if the ANA appoints an experienced numismatist instead of a lawyer as executive director. >>
ccex, by not renewing your ANA membership, you are letting the current board have a better chance of winning because of minimal opposition. By not renewing, the current executive director will still have his job because there will be one less member who will, with others, pressure the board to call for his resignation. When there is more unity, then there is more strength - but when there is less unity, then you'll get nothing but weakness.
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So do I, and the clowns on the board will have to deal with me really soon!
So if you were voted onto the board what specific changes would you pursue as new board member?
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>So do I, and the clowns on the board will have to deal with me really soon!
<< <i>So if you were voted onto the board what specific changes would you pursue as new board member?
1) Calling for the immediate resignation of the current Excecutive Director (which will require a group of board members to do). Set up new guidelines in the selection of a new Excecutive Director, making sure that such person will not have any conflicts of interest, and set a salary which will not bankrupt the ANA.
2) Re-writing the confidentiality agreement to cover only personel, disciplinary, and financial matters (which is normal in most organizations). Contractual matters (such as auctions) would be openly discussed. Heritage should not be given special treatment. Also, volunteers and staff would no longer be required to sign such agreement.
3) Every year, have the auctioneer duties rotated among recognized numismatic auction firms. For example, ANR - 2007, Superior - 2008, Stacks - 2009, Heritage - 2010, and Bowers - 2011. The playing field for the auctions needs to be fair.
4) Push for electronic voting. The last election some members did not receive their ballots. This is a disservice to our members.
I can think of more, but what I have posted is a start.