Alternate every ANA between LA, Chicago, and NY?
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Here is an excerpt from Winter's latest blog (there was a lot of interesting stuff in it, but that will come in other threads). I believe he made the following comment in a tongue-in-cheek manner, but it does have some merit. NY has old money, LA has new money, and Chicago is a classic coin town. I see no real downside to alternating one of the two ANA shows between these cities every year. The "other" show during the year can be assigned to the Milwaukees and Pittsburghs of the world. What do you think?
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"Denver is a nice town. Downtown has been revitalized, the mountains are big and snowy, and the people are interesting...but it's not a coin town; Denver Mint notwithstanding. Message to the ANA: Please alternate every ANA forever between Los Angeles, Chicago and New York and stop with the Denvers, Milwaukees and Pittsburghs."
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"Denver is a nice town. Downtown has been revitalized, the mountains are big and snowy, and the people are interesting...but it's not a coin town; Denver Mint notwithstanding. Message to the ANA: Please alternate every ANA forever between Los Angeles, Chicago and New York and stop with the Denvers, Milwaukees and Pittsburghs."
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The ANA isn't for the dealers. It's full of seminars, classes and exhibits for the ANA membership. I completely understand that the support of the dealers is essential for the show to succeed, but to hold them in the most expensive cities in the country exclusively doesn't appeal to me.
Another factor is the ANA requires significant support from the host clubs starting a year in advance. And I don't think any of them could muster that level of support on a regular basis.
I'd be more in favor of having them on a regular basis in Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Philadelphia. Those were all very successful shows. The fact that I live in driving distance of all those cities does not bias my view.
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I'm not sure if any downtown Chicago sites would be appropriate, or affordable. The city is well known for its union rules and I've heard that many conventions are leaving because of this.
New York is an expensive place to hold a show and travel to; what is parking ? $50 a day?
Wait, how 'bout Philadelphia? Mother of all Mints, 1933 Double Eagles grow like weeds all over town, artery-clogging cheesesteaks, convention center is 8 blocks from I-95. Perfect.
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<< <i>Better include Baltimore: small town, great turnout, easy to get in and out, convenient to most east coasters.
New York is an expensive place to hold a show and travel to; what is parking ? $50 a day? >>
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3 or 4 major cities (Chicago and Atlanta were two of them I can remember). The idea was they could save
money by booking hotels and convention centers far in advance and the advance planning would be
easier since they would know what to expect. Nothing came of the idea. While there is some merit
in places like Chicago and Atlanta (a major airport transportation center for both) it does not seem fair
to other places that would want the show.
<< <i>A couple of years ago the ANA was floating the idea of having the summer convention rotated between just
3 or 4 major cities (Chicago and Atlanta were two of them I can remember). The idea was they could save
money by booking hotels and convention centers far in advance and the advance planning would be
easier since they would know what to expect. Nothing came of the idea. While there is some merit
in places like Chicago and Atlanta (a major airport transportation center for both) it does not seem fair
to other places that would want the show. >>
I also think they should consider summer weather and give the spring shows to the more miserable summer climates. That would include places like Atlanta as well as Texas, Florida and Arizona, perhaps.
The summer shows could go to the northern tier of states and perhaps the west coast as well, where summer weather is more pleasant. Texas or Atlanta in August isn't exactly the most comfortable thing going.
- The NY show a few years ago was one of the smallest recent ANA shows simply because of cost. As a collector, no way could I justify it.
- LA already has the Long Beach show a few times a year. Yeah, it's not actually in downtown LA, but that's not a convenient place even for people that live in LA, and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near downtown LA with valuables.
- Chicago is convenient for me, but as someone said, Rosemont, where the conventions currently are, is basically just a pile of hotels around the airport with no other reedeming qualities. Schaumburg, which is farther west, will be stealing conventions from Rosemont in quantity with its new convention center and somewhat nicer location. PCGS tried a show at Navy Pier back in 97 or 98, but it cost a fortune to park there and I'm sure the Union Thugs made sure it cost a fortune to have the show as well. They didn't repeat.
The "not a coin town" reason is ridiculous. Local Friday/Saturday traffic is what has the potential to show the hobby to new people. Making any given town a "coin town" would seem to be in the best interest of dealers.
Also, the site of the Atlanta shows is quite far from the airport, and Atlanta in August is not my idea of a good time.
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but rather a coin club offers the help and services needed and offers to be the location...
I believe that usually about 30 members of a club are needed. I know that the Westchester County Coin Club has helped many times when the ANA has been in NY.
This is just one of those topics where there are no easy answers....everyone means well, but things that look good on paper sometimes dont work and vice versa... for example the host hotel in Denver was 3 blocks away yet a great hotel was just built 1/2 block away....however when ANA booked the convention that hotel was still not built.....so people gripe about the hotel being far away without knowing all the facts why the ANA did what it did....
still believe positive suggestions is the best solution! play nice and have a great day!
<< <i>The Chicago/Rosemont site they have used in the recent past is far from the downtown area. Unless you intend to stay at the convention itself for the entire time you are there it is a really boring location.
I'm not sure if any downtown Chicago sites would be appropriate, or affordable. The city is well known for its union rules and I've heard that many conventions are leaving because of this. >>
If you were the person who was planning the ANA show and want it in Chicago, I would avoid downtown Chicago - union rules and more costly than Rosemont. As far as boring goes, there is casinos within short distance, like Harrahs and Empress in Joliet, Grand Victoria in Elgin (which is very nice), Hollywood in Aurora - I can go on. I do believe there is a Dave & Busters in the NW burbs. You just have to have a little imagination on these trips.
<< <i>Here is an excerpt from Winter's latest blog (there was a lot of interesting stuff in it, but that will come in other threads). I believe he made the following comment in a tongue-in-cheek manner, but it does have some merit. NY has old money, LA has new money, and Chicago is a classic coin town. I see no real downside to alternating one of the two ANA shows between these cities every year. The "other" show during the year can be assigned to the Milwaukees and Pittsburghs of the world. What do you think?
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"Denver is a nice town. Downtown has been revitalized, the mountains are big and snowy, and the people are interesting...but it's not a coin town; Denver Mint notwithstanding. Message to the ANA: Please alternate every ANA forever between Los Angeles, Chicago and New York and stop with the Denvers, Milwaukees and Pittsburghs." >>
I like the idea of switching between different sections of mainland U.S. & being in major cities.
or is it because I'm a YN who lives outside Chicago and can't really travel much.
I think it's a great idea to spread out the shows regionally.
K
<< <i>Dallas would also be a decent choice...centrally located, good air service. Just hot in the summer though. >>
Dallas would be a good choice for the spring show. For the summer? Unless you like 105 degree weather, not so much.
You've been given mis-information.
The LA, Chicago, NY proposal sounds good, but the costs are apparently too high. They were suppose to return to NY in 2013 (I think that was the date), but it was changed to another venue due to cost.
<< <i>- Chicago is convenient for me, but as someone said, Rosemont, where the conventions currently are, is basically just a pile of hotels around the airport with no other reedeming qualities. Schaumburg, which is farther west, will be stealing conventions from Rosemont in quantity with its new convention center and somewhat nicer location. PCGS tried a show at Navy Pier back in 97 or 98, but it cost a fortune to park there and I'm sure the Union Thugs made sure it cost a fortune to have the show as well. They didn't repeat. >>
Apparently, Chicago convention centers are not as expensive as everyone makes them out to be. Sun-Times article. Of course, that is for McCormick Place, which is probably too big a convention center even for the ANA. It may also have the problem of being somewhat isolated from downtown, also. Some of the downtown hotels do seem to have adequate convention space, though I'm not sure if it'd be enough for an ANA show. I fully agree with what is said about Rosemont. Chicago would probably also be cheaper if it had the same ratio of hotel rooms to residents as Rosemont does.
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I thought Denver was a great location, convenient, not a full cross continent place ride for anyone form the east or west coast, etc.
Spread them around to foster the coin hobby and allow collectors from all over the chance to attend once every few years as not everyone can afford $2K for a weeklong ANA.
National bridge tournaments of which there are 3 per year attempts to do this. It has allowed me to attend two in the past 3 years in Long Beach and Reno, but to go to Atlanta or Chicago is just too far for the most part for me.
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<< <i>And, my favorite is Louisville KY. Man, that place is really convient to get in and out. >>
Forget Louisville. Sure convienient to get in and out of, but the only place big enough to hold the ANA would be the State Fairgrounds. Well away from downtown (But what is there to do in downtown Louisville anyway? And you can't park down there after 5PM.) but it would be right across the highway from the airport. Problem is there there's nowhere near enough hotel space close by either. And there is no way you could get enough volenteers from the local club to run the show. (You will get 10, maybe 15 if you are lucky.) Can't bring in members from another club to help either. Next closest one is over 100 miles away.
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<< <i>Not everyone who attends ANA is a dealer of huge dollar coins or a millionaire collector. >>
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I agree. Timing, not location, is what kept me away. Colorado is a great place to visit in the summer (and winter).
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<< <i>How much do hotels, restaurants, transportation and parking cost in LA, Chicago, and NY? How many fewer collectors will attend, as a result of these high costs? For those who do attend, how many fewer dollars will they have to spend on coins as a result of these high costs?
Not everyone who attends ANA is a dealer of huge dollar coins or a millionaire collector. >>
There are less expensive hotels in NY (you don't have to stay at the Waldorf), and I've been to Chicago and it does not seem outrageous. I've never stayed in LA (just changed planes there), so I am not sure of the costs. I don't think these three cities should be dismissed merely because of the cost.
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<< <i>Bad Idea.
- The NY show a few years ago was one of the smallest recent ANA shows simply because of cost. As a collector, no way could I justify it.
- LA already has the Long Beach show a few times a year. Yeah, it's not actually in downtown LA, but that's not a convenient place even for people that live in LA, and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near downtown LA with valuables.
- Chicago is convenient for me, but as someone said, Rosemont, where the conventions currently are, is basically just a pile of hotels around the airport with no other reedeming qualities. Schaumburg, which is farther west, will be stealing conventions from Rosemont in quantity with its new convention center and somewhat nicer location. PCGS tried a show at Navy Pier back in 97 or 98, but it cost a fortune to park there and I'm sure the Union Thugs made sure it cost a fortune to have the show as well. They didn't repeat.
The "not a coin town" reason is ridiculous. Local Friday/Saturday traffic is what has the potential to show the hobby to new people. Making any given town a "coin town" would seem to be in the best interest of dealers.
Also, the site of the Atlanta shows is quite far from the airport, and Atlanta in August is not my idea of a good time. >>
That PCGS show was a small affair at one of the S. Michigan hotels, I believe. The CICF has been held at Navy Pier (crappy location, IMO), and the Merchandise Mart (even crappier). They've been building that Schaumburg Conv. Center, but if it has the capacity, they'll deal a death blow to Rosemont, if only because there are tons more restaurants and hotels which are much more easily accessible. There is no rail transport to SCH though, which is why Baltimore still kicks behind......it's cheeeeep, like most dealers.
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<< <i>San Jose, CA should get an ANA show. It's the 10th largest city in the nation. It's been rated the #1 safest city to live in several times. It's big and open and not congested like San Fransicko. The accomodation and food prices aren't as high as they are in SF or down in LA. Plenty of hotel rooms available. 3 major international airports closeby (SF @ 45 minutes away, Oakland @ 45 minutes away, and San Jose International right in the middle of the city). It's more centrally located than LA. Also, the weather is generally more pleasant than SF and LA. >>
I too would love to see a future ANA convention in San Jose. Unfortunately it won't happen anytime remotely soon as the city has demonstrated last year their lack of desire and support for a coin convention in the city. This was demonstrated by the city scheduling a grand prix race when they already knew that the ANA convention was scheduled for that same weekend. San Jose is the safest city in America with a population over 500,000, but I can already sense the grumblings of the travelling dealers and collectors about how there's a lack of nightlife and other entertainment options after dark in town. Hotel rooms are available, but there aren't as many options as there are in San Francisco, and during weekdays the rates aren't much cheaper compared to San Francisco.
The tourism options and nightlife issue is something San Jose has been combating for a while now. I own a home in the (only) nighttime entertainment district in San Jose and for a city of 980,000 people, that is really pathetic.
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<< <i>San Jose, CA should get an ANA show. It's the 10th largest city in the nation. It's been rated the #1 safest city to live in several times. It's big and open and not congested like San Fransicko. >>
Actually, it had an ANA show not long ago, but gave it up to San Francisco so they could host a racing event which partially conflicted in timeframe with the planned ANA show.
<< <i>What about Hartford, CT? New convention center. Newly renovated airport. >>
Newly renovated airport? It can't be Bradley Intl., can it? Even after the "renovation" it still sucks. I was in Hartford last March, and I think I'll pass.
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<< <i>If "social night life" and partying is a deciding factor of where the ANA goes that's pretty sad. >>
Well, to some degree, I agree. But the bottom line is that you have to consider what will draw someone there.
As for San Jose, though, as I said above I suspect they may have burned their bridges when they snubbed the ANA and all but asked it to leave so they could host a racing event instead. As a former long-time San Jose resident, that made me sad.
Expensive? Ha!! Rooms (2 doubles) run $100 - $125 per night for 4 people, and every major chain there will be running free shuttles to the CC.
Plus MadMarty and the chicken can taxi VIPs around town!!!!
I agree. The ANA should avoid places where there are regular big shows, like Long Beach and Baltimore and nearby cities/communities. Personally, I am not sure that Tradedollarnut giving away his collection of seated dollars as door prizes would be enough motivation to get me to travel to New York for the ANA show.
<< <i>If "social night life" and partying is a deciding factor of where the ANA goes that's pretty sad. >>
It shouldn't be a factor, but the reality is that it is one of the major factors for choosing a convention venue. It's the case for any type of convention, not just numismatic ones. The convention promoters are obligated to keep their attendees happy. Unhappy attendees equals decreased future participation.
I also like the idea of the ANA conventions moving around to different locations every year.
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