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NTC and PCI Crossover Attempt
JZrarities
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NTC and PCI Crossover Attempt:
Across the Street....
(9) Coins were submitted with a 'Crossover at Any Grade'. All were Rainbow or Colorfully Toned.
(6) Successfully Crossed - (4) at the Same Grade, (1) Higher and (1) Lower. Of those, (2) received the STAR Designation
(3) Coins Did Not Cross for AT. A 1920 Pilgrim (NTC), A Washington Carver (old PCI) and a 1962 Washington Quarter (old PCI).
Overall, I'm happy with the NTC crosses Suprising, based upon what I read from others posted here...
The 'AT' Washington Quarter is definitely NOT AT - I've owned the coin for over 10 years, and Yes, Old PCI Holders DO Tone Coins.... In Fact, the white insert has caused the edges of the Label to turn slightly Brown. However, the coin has incredible Rim Toning that is definitely caused by the insert. I hope to post pictures soon.
The Washington Carver is also in an old PCI but it has never changed toning in the eight years I have owned it. It does have some unusual colors to it - not the standard colors, so I understand the AT opinion. However, when the coin was originally slabbed at PCI, toning wasn't the Rage and I don't understand the original Washington Carver issue well enough to describe the original boxes. Any help here?
So, overall the NTC coins weren't overgraded (by NGC standards). "Some" old PCI holders WILL tone a coin and still get an AT opinion. 2 of the 3 DNC coins were old PCI, and 1 was NTC.
These were sent to cross in the NTC Holders; not cracked out.... I decided to do this to emphasize the opinion of Original Toning, not the Grade (makes a difference).
Hopefully I will post some photos soon (especially the toned Washington Quarter).
Regards,
JZ
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<< <i>Sounds like you have a pretty good eye for finding diamonds in the rough. >>
Which is something that should be emphasized, lest some unwary newbie run out to buy a bunch of third world slabs thinking they'd be able to get the same results.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Which is something that should be emphasized, lest some unwary newbie run out to buy a bunch of third world slabs thinking they'd be able to get the same results.
Russ, NCNE >>
I have to agree with Russ above - you probably will not get the same results with many third party Slabs.
But, I think it emphasizes my point from last month regarding NGC grading - I see many more over-graded coins in NGC slabs these days (my new ones included)
And, I still think that ICG grades tougher than NGC,, especially on the non-Moderns. These results add to my belief. I'm much more careful buying NGC these days - especially on Big-Jump grade coins.
<< <i>And, I still think that ICG grades tougher than NGC >>
Really? Ask Marty about his recent results with ICG crossovers.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Really? Ask Marty about his recent results with ICG crossovers.
Well, he *did* say primarily on non-moderns. I still say ICG is as good as anyone for circulated and lower mint state (up to about 63 or so) classics. Their overgrading on high-grade moderns is legendary.
<< <i>Well, he *did* say primarily on non-moderns. >>
Marty's coins ranged in date from 1931 to 1957, so I guess it depends on how we're defining moderns.
Russ, NCNE
Thanks for sharing. I've got two PCI Lincolns. One of them is boardeline, but the other is very nice and should cross easily.
<< <i>I still say ICG is as good as anyone for circulated and lower mint state (up to about 63 or so) classics. >>
I agree.
I draw the line at MS-64, above that I usually don't agree with ICG on the grade.
As for Moderns (to me after 1950) I'm not in that game, so I can't speak to the ultra grades.
Russ, congrats on that $700 crackout of the Star Grading slab.
Diamonds in the Rough, baby.
<< <i>Russ, congrats on that $700 crackout of the Star Grading slab. >>
One does not crackout SGS slabs. One pops them open after slicing the seal with a fingernail.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>One does not crackout SGS slabs. One pops them open after slicing the seal with a fingernail.
At first I thought you were joking until I realized this is "SGS" and not "SEGS." You need a nuclear bomb to blow an SEGS slab open.