Barber dime set- more photos added
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Last summer, I posted a description of a great Barber dime set I was buying from a personal friend. Let's just say that it was better material than what I was expecting, and it took a while to pay it off. Anyway, here it is, and I just had time to take a few photos this morning before locking them up & heading to work. If those old green PCGS boxes don't get your heart pumping, you don't belong on the PCGS boards!
This collection was assembled prior to 1960, and kept intact since then. A list of the contents is included below, and all of the PCGS coins are OGH submitted only once, in 1990. I will be re-submitting a bunch for possible upgrades and reimbursing the owner if successful, as it is not my nature to lie, cheat, 'n' steal. Looking through the coins last night, my overall impression was that the Business Strikes are not graded any differently than coins in the new blue holders, just like HomeRunHall keeps telling us. I spot 4 or 5 coins in the group that I think they ought to bump up a point, or maybe they won't; and 4 or 5 that I think are overgraded by a point. However, in looking at the proofs, I'd have to say that many of them will go up 1-2 points and get a CAM designation on top of that. For example, the 1895 proof shown below is in a PR64 holder, and I can't see it as any less than a 65. If people want to see specific coins, I will post images next week. I hope you enjoy viewing this seldom-encountered OGH hoard.
One more thing: none of these coins are currently for sale, nor do I wish to have help purchasing any further collections, so polite thanks in advance for not making any offers. I'm primarily posting this thread for the enjoyment of fellow Barber collectors, and also due to the current interest in the OGH issue.
1892 Raw AU-50
1892-S PCGS MS-62
1892-O PCGS MS-65
1893-P PCGS PR-64
1893-O PCGS MS-62
1893-S PCGS MS-63
1894-P PCGS PR-64
1894-O AU Clnd.
1895-P PCGS PR-64
1895-O PCGS MS-63
1895-S AU, Clnd.
1896-P PCGS MS-63
1896-O AU, Clnd.
1896-S PCGS MS-64
1897-P Raw MS-62
1897-O AU Clnd.
1897-S PCGS MS-63
1898-P PCGS PR-64
1898-O PCGS MS-62
1898-S PCGS MS-64
1899-P PCGS PR-63
1899-O AU Clnd.
1899-S Cleaned XF
1900 PCGS PR-63
1900-O PCGS MS-64
1900-S PCGS MS-62
1901-P PCGS PR-62
1901-O XF-AU Clnd.
1901-S PCGS MS-64
1902 PCGS PR-63
1902-O AU-Unc. detail, graffitti reverse, D'Oh!
1902-S Cleaned AU
1903 PCGS PR-62
1903-O PCGS AU-58
1903-S PCGS MS-63
1904-P AU
1904-S PCGS MS-62
1905-P PCGS PR-63
1905-O MS-60
1905-S PCGS AU-58
1906-P PCGS MS-62
1906-O PCGS MS-63
1906-D PCGS MS-63
1906-S PCGS MS-62
1907 Raw AU58/MS-62
1907-O PCGS MS-62
1907-D PCGS MS-63
1907-S PCGS MS-62
1908-P PCGS PR-62
1908-O PCGS MS-62
1908-D PCGS MS-62
1908-S PCGS MS-62
1909 raw AU-58/MS-62
1909-O Cleaned AU-58
1909-D PCGS MS-63
1909-S PCGS MS-61
1910-P PCGS PR-62
1910-D PCGS MS-62
1910-S PCGS MS-62
1911-P PCGS PR-63
1911-D AU, harshly cleaned (couldn't find a better 11-D than this???)
1911-S PCGS AU-55
1912 PCGS MS-62
1912-D PCGS MS-62
1912-S PCGS MS-63
1913 PCGS PR-63
1913-S PCGS MS-62
1914 Raw MS-60+
1914-D Raw AU-55
1914-S PCGS MS-65
1915 Raw MS-60+
1915-S PCGS MS-63
1916-P Raw AU
1916-S Raw AU-55, nice purple toning
This collection was assembled prior to 1960, and kept intact since then. A list of the contents is included below, and all of the PCGS coins are OGH submitted only once, in 1990. I will be re-submitting a bunch for possible upgrades and reimbursing the owner if successful, as it is not my nature to lie, cheat, 'n' steal. Looking through the coins last night, my overall impression was that the Business Strikes are not graded any differently than coins in the new blue holders, just like HomeRunHall keeps telling us. I spot 4 or 5 coins in the group that I think they ought to bump up a point, or maybe they won't; and 4 or 5 that I think are overgraded by a point. However, in looking at the proofs, I'd have to say that many of them will go up 1-2 points and get a CAM designation on top of that. For example, the 1895 proof shown below is in a PR64 holder, and I can't see it as any less than a 65. If people want to see specific coins, I will post images next week. I hope you enjoy viewing this seldom-encountered OGH hoard.
One more thing: none of these coins are currently for sale, nor do I wish to have help purchasing any further collections, so polite thanks in advance for not making any offers. I'm primarily posting this thread for the enjoyment of fellow Barber collectors, and also due to the current interest in the OGH issue.
1892 Raw AU-50
1892-S PCGS MS-62
1892-O PCGS MS-65
1893-P PCGS PR-64
1893-O PCGS MS-62
1893-S PCGS MS-63
1894-P PCGS PR-64
1894-O AU Clnd.
1895-P PCGS PR-64
1895-O PCGS MS-63
1895-S AU, Clnd.
1896-P PCGS MS-63
1896-O AU, Clnd.
1896-S PCGS MS-64
1897-P Raw MS-62
1897-O AU Clnd.
1897-S PCGS MS-63
1898-P PCGS PR-64
1898-O PCGS MS-62
1898-S PCGS MS-64
1899-P PCGS PR-63
1899-O AU Clnd.
1899-S Cleaned XF
1900 PCGS PR-63
1900-O PCGS MS-64
1900-S PCGS MS-62
1901-P PCGS PR-62
1901-O XF-AU Clnd.
1901-S PCGS MS-64
1902 PCGS PR-63
1902-O AU-Unc. detail, graffitti reverse, D'Oh!
1902-S Cleaned AU
1903 PCGS PR-62
1903-O PCGS AU-58
1903-S PCGS MS-63
1904-P AU
1904-S PCGS MS-62
1905-P PCGS PR-63
1905-O MS-60
1905-S PCGS AU-58
1906-P PCGS MS-62
1906-O PCGS MS-63
1906-D PCGS MS-63
1906-S PCGS MS-62
1907 Raw AU58/MS-62
1907-O PCGS MS-62
1907-D PCGS MS-63
1907-S PCGS MS-62
1908-P PCGS PR-62
1908-O PCGS MS-62
1908-D PCGS MS-62
1908-S PCGS MS-62
1909 raw AU-58/MS-62
1909-O Cleaned AU-58
1909-D PCGS MS-63
1909-S PCGS MS-61
1910-P PCGS PR-62
1910-D PCGS MS-62
1910-S PCGS MS-62
1911-P PCGS PR-63
1911-D AU, harshly cleaned (couldn't find a better 11-D than this???)
1911-S PCGS AU-55
1912 PCGS MS-62
1912-D PCGS MS-62
1912-S PCGS MS-63
1913 PCGS PR-63
1913-S PCGS MS-62
1914 Raw MS-60+
1914-D Raw AU-55
1914-S PCGS MS-65
1915 Raw MS-60+
1915-S PCGS MS-63
1916-P Raw AU
1916-S Raw AU-55, nice purple toning
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In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
...until I go back and get the quarters & half dollars.
Here's the 1907-D dime, one of the rarest dates in Unc.
"La Vostra Nonna Ha Faccia Del Fungo"
Not for sale? Come on, at the "right" price, EVERYTHING is for sale!
Thx for sharing,
Dave
Please!
You have some really incredibly coins there.
You should have offered me $50,000 for one of the common dates just to see me squirm.
The slab is totally obstructing your wood venier background!
Yes, this is a serious issue I need to resolve when I get home. The coins just don't look the same without the distinctive plywood background. BTW, an ugly but distinctive background is a great way to stop ebay crooks from stealing your photos.
so does this new love (Barber Dimes) mean that you will have to make room and dump your half dimes?
Never! They're half the size of the Barbers and cost twice as much- what could be better than that?
Why bother? There was a whole dang BU roll in there, so I figured they were common little junkers and paid the guy face value.
I suddenly feel like buying an ice cream cone for some reason.*
*a somewhat obscure reference to the story of a guy getting an 1894-S dime in change for an ice cream cone.
I'm still missing the 1893, 1895-O, 1896-S, 1897-O, 1901-S, 1903-S, 1904-S, 1905-O (I have the Micro though), and a 1910-D.
My collection grades out to about a 5.81 GPA and about 87% complete. Nothing overly huge in it, but I was able to get this far in about 2 years on a lot of allowance $.
I have several VF's in it, but many are AG/G coins.
I'd recommend saving your money and getting a nice certified 1895-O, then worrying about the others later. The 1895-O is more likely to increase in price in the short term, making you sorry later. Anyone else second my advice? Good luck completing the set- a long and worthwhile journey.
<< <i>Anyone else second my advice >>
I'd recommend waiting until the next recession (1-3 years). They will all be about half what they are now.
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<< <i>I was able to get this far in about 2 years on a lot of allowance $. >>
Wish I had an allowance that generous!
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I remember your mentioning this purchase awhile ago...NICE set of coins there.
I assume that you'll be adding to it to upgrade the cleaned coins...when you have a chance, add this set to the Barber Dime Registry along with the images.
You've whetted our appitites for more !!!
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This brings up an interesting point. I went from zero to complete set in one day, and this collection is not really "mine," so to speak, as I did not assemble it myself. There are a number of coins that I would not have purchased for my own set, which will be replaced in time with PCGS coins that have the look I want. The fun begins now as I attempt to replace the 4 or 5 cleaned or scratched pieces, and perhaps add some more PCGS coins to complete the set in "PCGS" condition.
I'm working on photographing the rest of the set this weekend, and I'll start putting up more pics on Monday.
Positive BST as a seller: Namvet69, Lordmarcovan, Bigjpst, Soldi, mustanggt, CoinHoader, moursund, SufinxHi, al410, JWP
Here are a few of the "raw" coins from the set.
This one is an 1892-P with some heavy clask marks on the obverse and reverse. I grade it AU-53, and it is nice and original. I think it would slab at PCGS without a doubt, but it isn't worth enough to send it in.
Here's the 1894-O, one of the keys to the series. This is a nice example with AU detail, but it has been lightly polished, giving the obverse an unnatural gloss. I wouldn't submit this to PCGS, but it's still an appealing coin given its status as a key date.
Finally, here is an 1895-S that obviously had reflective, prooflike surfaces when it was struck. This coin must have been a stunning gem before entering circulation. It is now a nice AU for detail. Unfortunately, it has a fairly good swath of hairline scratches extending from Liberty's face into the field at 2:00. This "wipe" is completely invisible in the photo, suggesting that I should get a job taking coin photos for ebay powersellers. Another fairly nice key date that I would not submit to PCGS for fear of bodybag.
More photos to come later.
Looking for Denmark 1874 20-Kroner. Please offer.
Here is the 1897-O, a good match to the 1896-O. This coin is also dipped, and it might slab, or it might bag for cleaning. Here's a good question for Barber dime enthusiasts: do you think the 1896-O or the 1897-O is harder to locate in nice condition? I'd go with the 1896-O, since I think it's a bit tougher in Unc.
Finally, here is the 1897-P. This is an MS-62 coin that looks like an MS-65 in the pics. In other words, I should list it on ebay as 1897 BARBER GEMMY MS66 L@@K! and see where it ends up after some good shill bidder action (kidding!). The reason this is an MS-62 is that it has a few tiny hairlines (slide marks) on the cheek from sliding around in a flip or with other coins in a box/bag. It has full, unbroken luster across the entire coin, including Liberty's cheek, differentiating this from an AU-58 in my book.
because these will not get cheaper in Fine-AU. You can't find them now in these grades...and if you should stumble upon one it should cost you 30% over sheet. If you can buy it for bid/ask jump on it.
This key to the barber dime set is not going down in the next crash....but I cannot say that about that 1916 25c or 1909-s VDB.
Those 2 scare me.
I would also agree that the 1895 looks PF65ish.
The 1897-0 eluded me in problem free VF-AU for quite some time. I suspect it is tougher than the 96-0 but both are difficult.
These 2 dates were somewhat saved in UNC but not in circ.
roadrunner
We will soon find out, because it's going back for a re-grade shortly. I personally think it stays at MS-63 due to some contact marks here and there; my camera takes optimistic photos. Roadrunner makes a good point about the scarcity of the 1895-o compared to key dates in other popular series. Look at the PCGS population Report if you don't believe in the scarcity of this issue. It is rare above MS-60, and people who own coins like this will not part with them for lowball money.
Here's the next installment of raw coin photos. The 1899-o is a date I wish was a BU coin, as it is is incredibly scarce in MS-60 or higher. The example included with this set was dipped, but it is again one of those coins that might slab anyway. Not a bad example considering the scarcity of the date.
The 1899-S is one of a few coins that I will almost certainly replace. This coin was polished and does have some light hairlining in the fields. As I understand, much of the mintage of this issue were sent to the Philippine Islands after the Spanish-American War. I see a fair number of these coins available in both circulated and Unc. grades, so it may not be that hard to replace it.
The 1901-o is another very scarce O-mint that I wish I had in Unc. However, this lightly circulated example is the best that the previous collector could find. This set was put together between the late 1930's and about 1960, so keep in mind that some of these coins could have actually been pulled from circulation.
Next is the 1902-o, a coin that absolutely kills me. It's an AU55 detail, but this coin was just so dang nice and purdy that someone carved a "*" into the back of the coin with a knife. Replacing this one with an Unc. will be difficult and expensive.
Here is the 1902-S, a coin that probably retoned after a dipping. It has a little scratch under the word DIME, but I don't know if it is bad enough to keep it out of a slab. This is another very scarce issue that will be problematic to upgrade.
1904-p, a dipped & retoned AU that isn't so bad looking. This date is a lot scarcer in BU than many other P-mints of the post-1900 era.
1905-O, a coin that looks like a nice AU58 / MS62, but it turns out that it has a thin scratch that goes along the Liberty's neck/chin, which doesn't show up in the pics. I doubt it would slab.
1907-p, A really nice coin with no problems, probably a very choice AU58 that looks MS-62 at a glance.
1909-O. This coin is unique as it is the only one in the entire set that was submitted to PCGS and got a bodybag. That's right, the person who submitted these got 56 out of 57 coins in slabs, and only one bodybag! If my percentages were that high, I'd be real happy. That being said, it is tough to find anything wrong with this coin. Perhaps a light baking soda cleaning that didn't leave any hairlines on the coin?
Your posting this thread has me wanting to have my raw set holdered as well.
What is the max dollar value we can submit per coin on PCGS's Economy service ???
I'm in no rush...afterall, this set has been languishing in a bank vault for years. Should have some interesting toned coins by now ( due to the Dansco album ) . Have not really looked at the raw set for a year or two...just the holdered coins are brought out every so often.
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Coin collecting is not a hobby, it's an obsession !
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The 1893 proof is a very obvious cameo sitting in a PCGS PR64 holder. This might get sent back for a designation review. It has enough hairlines to keep it at a 64.
The 1893-O is in a PCGS MS-62 holder, and I'd grade it MS-63. I like this coin a lot, and it's a very scarce date in BU.
The 1893-S is graded MS-63 by PCGS, but I think the 1893-O is a better coin. This one has a couple of obvious nicks on the cheek.
The 1894 proof is in a PCGS PR64 holdeer, and I grade it PR65 CAM. Going back for re-grading.
The 1895 proof is also graded PCGS PR64, but I'd put it at PR65 CAM with a good shot at PR66 CAM. This is a drop-dead gorgeous proof.
The 1895-o, which I already posted, is in a MS-63 holder, and I think it's accurately graded. I'm sending it back for re-grading to find out, due to the amount of money involved with this key date.
Here is the 1896-p, obviously undergraded at MS-63. It has one tiny nick on the face, and a few hazy streaks on the reverse, and a real gem look otherwise. I can't believe this isn't graded MS-64. MS-65 is not out of the question.
Here's the 1896-S, graded MS-64 by PCGS. If someone could please tell me how this coin got graded MS-64, while the 1896-p is an MS-63, I'd love to hear it. This coin appears accurately graded.
The 1897-s is an accurately graded MS-63 with a few nicks on the neck.
The 1898 proof is in a PCGS PR64 holder, and I grade it PR65 (probably not cameo).
The 1898-O is a really rare date in BU that I wish was an MS-65, but it's a 62, basically because the coin was poorly manufactured by the mint. It has a rough, striated planchet and a weak strike. Otherwise, this coin barely has a mark on it.
Great pics of great coins!! Thanks for taking the time to share...
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