Just figured this out-you might think twice about 45 day specials

1954 · August 4, 2006 5:27AM

As I sit here checking the status of my order that I submitted on June 9, 2006 twelve times a day, I thought to myself, " Self, stop being so impatient, let PSA have their 45 business days to finish the invoice." So I finally broke down and called PSA to find out the status of my invoice. As the customer service politely responded, " Dude, it has only been 24 business days. This is a 45 days, non guaranteed service." He told me that there has been some shows and holidays in between this time period and it was only 24 business days.
So this got me thinking.

365 Days a year
-104 weekend
-20 days for shows/dealer invitational
-79 holidays (Christmas, Halloween, Easter, Grand Parents Day, Human Rights Day, Veterans Day, Bank Day, St. Andrews Day, Hanukkah, Picnic Day, MLK day, Summer Bank Holiday, Boxing Day, Kwanzaa, Fathers day, Mothers Day, Valentines, Labour Day, Lent, Rosh Hashanah (2 days), Yomkipper, Labor Day (US version), Election day, Columbus, Thanksgiving Day, Ground Hog Day, United Nations day, and so on.

If my calculation is right, that leaves us collectors 162 days of non-conflict business days. I am thinking this SOB could be done between the close of Mastro's Christmas Auction and the New Year. Am I wrong to think this is absolutely crazy? I think I have had three suprise invoices done by PSA in like a week. I keep seeing everyone on the boards get there done in 5 days like Goose, Davilillo, and Greg M come to mind.
So in closing, I think I am going to start sending my invoice on a two day guaranteed time period so I can actually get something done at the office.

Regards,
Shane

mikeschmidt · August 4, 2006 5:54AM

Shane:

Even on the supposed "quick" turnaround invoices, you get screwed because it will take a week or two after the package arrives at PSA before the order is actually logged in [which, in essence, starts their clock ticking]

~ms

jradke4 · August 4, 2006 5:59AM

I am in the same boat with you. My experince is that for the $5 offers it takes me about 2 calendar months before I get any news. I dont call as I dont want to be pissed off by someone saying the same thing to me that he did to you.

They need to deal better with the in/out process. I understand that if someone sends in a T206 H Wagner that it will be put ahead of ours do the level of service, you get what you pay for. But that people that submitt at the same level have their cards graded in a random fashion doesnt make much sense. My order is 80 cards so that is not that massive compated to others.

I dont know if the Greg M your talking about is the same Greg M that I know. But we both submitted cards in person at the Chicago show in June, same day. Both logged into to PSA at same time. Our PSA/DNA order poped a few weeks ago. His $5 special poped 8/2. You and I are still waiting. I dont think that there was any special treatment in this case. His just got pulled faster than ours did.

1954 · August 4, 2006 6:40AM

No, I am just remembering back three weeks ago when there was six or so invoices that people were sharing with the board members here. All of them were logged in on 7-2 and was done on 7-8. That happens to be three business days. Bottom line is that I am getting impatient and the longer it goes the more pissy I get.

Shane

joemaggio · August 4, 2006 7:53AM

I mailed a $5 special sub on June 30 (Insured Priority Mail). I called on 7/10 when it still was showing as "not received." The woman at PSA said "we should have received that by now, you should check with the Post Office." She said she checked all of the places that submissions should be, including the infamous 'problem shelf,' and my sub was not in their facility.

The next day, it was surprisingly logged in as 'received on 7/11.' They ran the charge through on 7/17, but my grades still haven't popped. I called them on 8/3 and was told (by a woman who struck me as rather rude) that they'd been at the National and that's what was holding up my cards and that there was no guaranteed turnaround time, blah, blah, blah.

jayhawke · August 4, 2006 8:05AM

I hate to sound like the dabighurt, but if you paid for a 45 day service, don't expect them to be done in 24 days. If you need the cards in 10 days, maybe you should ungrade your service level and pay a little more.

Buccaneer · August 4, 2006 10:26AM

<< I hate to sound like the dabighurt, but if you paid for a 45 day service, don't expect them to be done in 24 days. If you need the cards in 10 days, maybe you should ungrade your service level and pay a little more. >>

I agree, it's funny like that.

goose3 · August 4, 2006 11:04AM

I'm not fond of having my credit card charged prior to receiving the service I've paid for.

I don't believe a CC should be charged until the work is done.

glossycrazy · August 4, 2006 2:04PM

Time to get into this post!! I don't mind waiting for 45 days or whatever as long as eveyone else has the same wait as me which is FAIR FOR ALL!! What burns me is when I have a submission that has been sitting there FOREVER and other collectors are posting their results using the same special I used in a week or two weeks!! Once PSA treats ever submission the same as far as turnarounds go I won't complain... Until then... I need to vent from time to time... I really see this as PSA's major "FAULT" when it comes to customer service and treating their clients equally!
Regards..
Paul

blindflyer · August 4, 2006 7:20PM

<< Time to get into this post!! I don't mind waiting for 45 days or whatever as long as eveyone else has the same wait as me which is FAIR FOR ALL!! What burns me is when I have a submission that has been sitting there FOREVER and other collectors are posting their results using the same special I used in a week or two weeks!! Once PSA treats ever submission the same as far as turnarounds go I won't complain... Until then... I need to vent from time to time... I really see this as PSA's major "FAULT" when it comes to customer service and treating their clients equally!
Regards..
Paul >>

Paul, I'm sorry but that's just silly. You paid for a bulk 45-day turnaround. As long as they adhere to that, what is the problem? How is that "not fair"? It would be incredibly in-efficient for PSA to operate a first-in, first-out system. Everyone would end up getting their cards later. As it stands now, you may have to wait the full 45 days, but usually you'll luck out and get them sooner. Consider the submittals that take only 2-3 weeks as a "bonus." It all evens out in the end, bro.

jackstraw · August 4, 2006 9:30PM

<< Paul, I'm sorry but that's just silly. You paid for a bulk 45-day turnaround. As long as they adhere to that, what is the problem? How is that "not fair"? It would be incredibly in-efficient for PSA to operate a first-in, first-out system. Everyone would end up getting their cards later. As it stands now, you may have to wait the full 45 days, but usually you'll luck out and get them sooner. Consider the submittals that take only 2-3 weeks as a "bonus." It all evens out in the end, bro. >>

Silly? I think he has a legitamate complaint.
Paid for? Yes he paid for a 45 TAT and so did everyone else + a membership fee. It's not his fault that he sends in something other than 1960's Topps Baseball that the graders (who get paid for per card so of course they are going to take the jobs they can whip through in an hour) don't want to do because it takes too long fo r them and they can't make any money.
It would be incredibly in-efficient for PSA to operate a first-in, first-out system. Everyone would end up getting their cards later. ? HUH exactly what does that mean when it comes to a 45 day TAT? I think thats what the complaint is coming from. On a special that is the same across the board it should defenitly be a first in first out standard practice!

ColleSystem · August 4, 2006 10:12PM

I am glad that restaurants don’t seat people like PSA services their customers

1960toppsguy · August 5, 2006 12:17AM

In my opinion, the most frustration comes when you pay for 5 day service, send your package via 3 day Priority service confirmed, so you know it's in their hands, and it takes them 2 weeks to enter it into the system, that's just not right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jayhawke · August 5, 2006 12:19AM

<< It's not his fault that he sends in something other than 1960's Topps Baseball that the graders (who get paid for per card so of course they are going to take the jobs they can whip through in an hour) don't want to do because it takes too long fo r them and they can't make any money. >>

That doesn't make sense. How do you know this to be a fact? They aren't salaried employees?

mcastaldi · August 5, 2006 4:45AM

jayhawke> It's been pretty common knowledge for a while that PSA's graders are paid either largely or entirely on volume.

Mike

glossycrazy · August 5, 2006 5:58AM

Thanks Jackstraw for clarifying what I see as PSA's greatest customer service complaint!! To make it crystal clear I believe that all submissions turned in through a given special ( example: June $5 special/ any card 1964-present) have fair turnaround times for all... If I have to wait 45 days for mine and others are getting there's in let's say 20 days this just isn't FAIR in my book... I believe they should put the submissions in order and then grade them in the order they arrive instead of by what cards are desireable to grade in a hurry... Just my opinion and one shared by many others on these boards!
Paul

5STAT · August 5, 2006 6:26AM

jayhawke> It's been pretty common knowledge for a while that PSA's graders are paid either largely or entirely on volume.

This has been said before...but wouldn't it make sense for a grader to WANT a 500 or 1000 card order??
as long as it was similar material...they could whip through it.

I think the biggest problem faced by most board members is the INCONSISTENCY..
We all paid $5 for May and June submissions.....some people waited months...some were graded in mere days. THAT is the problem. Someone always comes in 1st...someone has to be last. When people continually are at the front and posting.."look ar how fast my turnaround time was"...you get the masses at the back going "WTF...%###$% PSA!!"

THAT is the problem.

I've had subs returned in days..I've had others lag for months.
It always seems to be that when you need/want them back the quickest..is when they take forever!!

I have a large sub there now with nothing but Jordans..Kobes..and tough inserts...it "should" be worth HUGE money if I get the grades I'm expecting. I sent it the last week of June, it was logged July 11th. I can't wait to get this puppy back!!

But I also know that it could be the end of September before I see it.

It gets even worse when people pop grades ahead of yours and the grades rock...then yours come a month later and are horrible.

We are all at the mercy of the system....love it..or leave it.....we are all in the same boat.

DaBigHurt · August 5, 2006 10:03AM

I would offer the following advice to those who are not happy with their turnaround times for their PSA submission.

"Don't tug on Superman's cape."

FJ · August 5, 2006 3:49PM

<< jayhawke> It's been pretty common knowledge for a while that PSA's graders are paid either largely or entirely on volume.

Mike >>

The ranges for grader wages I have been quoted by a former PSA grader were around $0.75 to $1.00 per card.

jaxxr · August 6, 2006 2:04AM

I have used the 45 day "special" four separate times in the past.
Not to suggest anyone might cause some delay by their own casual input, but I carefully marked each card with the proper information on the precribed holder, neatly listed all cards in date and numerical order, made sure postage amount was correct ( both ways ), marked clearly the outside of the package with the info requsted, double and triple checked everything, and..................got each submission back in LESS than 45 business days.

As for PSA or any grading company using first in first out, like fancy resturants do NOT do, as they have certain regulars or celebrity types who will be served before Joe Average, it is not fair to those who use deluxe services.
If I send in my 1953 Satchell Paige at 50 bucks for two day service, and Joe Average sends in 50 1970 commons via a 45 day special, which gets there a day before mine, should not the grading company take care of the two day promise before starting on a 45 day obligation ?

5STAT · August 6, 2006 3:05AM

The ranges for grader wages I have been quoted by a former PSA grader were around $0.75 to $1.00 per card.

If this is true...SIGN me up!!
Heck...I can tear through 10K cards a week and be accurate and fair!!

At that price, I'd give up selling and dealing altogether and just grade 6 days a week for them. (Joe..you listening!!??!!)

jayhawke · August 6, 2006 3:19AM

<< The ranges for grader wages I have been quoted by a former PSA grader were around $0.75 to $1.00 per card. >>

Would those wages be considered sweat shop wages? I still find it hard to believe the graders are not salaried employees. All this talks congures up the thought of a south of the border garment shop. Better make sure there are no under age graders.

goose3 · August 6, 2006 5:07AM

I too find it hard to fathom them being paid on a per card basis.....

That leaves the temptation for excessive speed, greed, and ultimately sloppiness.

I would think that the only way for their grading to remain consistent would be for the pay to remain consistent as well.

MorrellMan · August 6, 2006 5:35AM

<< I too find it hard to fathom them being paid on a per card basis.....

That leaves the temptation for excessive speed, greed, and ultimately sloppiness.
>>

This gives new meaning to the phrase "more money than god"....

blindflyer · August 6, 2006 5:59PM

<< Thanks Jackstraw for clarifying what I see as PSA's greatest customer service complaint!! To make it crystal clear I believe that all submissions turned in through a given special ( example: June $5 special/ any card 1964-present) have fair turnaround times for all... If I have to wait 45 days for mine and others are getting there's in let's say 20 days this just isn't FAIR in my book... I believe they should put the submissions in order and then grade them in the order they arrive instead of by what cards are desireable to grade in a hurry... Just my opinion and one shared by many others on these boards!
Paul >>

Paul, if they were to do this, the overall response time for EVERYONE would suffer. First in, first out (or as you say, putting submissions in order they arrive) is less efficient. Less efficiency means 1) less profit for PSA and 2) slower overall turnarounds. I still do not follow your logic of things "not being fair."

You paid for a 45-day service. You got your cards back on or before that time. If you want a faster turnaround time, pay for a faster service. In the end, if you turn in 10 submissions, you'll finish ahead of the curve some, behind the curve some, and hit the average turnaround some. It all washes out.

mcastaldi · August 6, 2006 9:18PM

I don't know if a pure FIFO makes sense, but. . .all things being equal, I think that two orders of the same service level should be done in about the same amount of time. Now, if one of the orders has payment issues, needs research, takes longer in verification, then that's the way it goes. It's been theorized that a FIFO system would lead to inefficiency, but I'm not sure it's been explained as to why this would be so.

The biggest problem I have with PSA's turnaround "guarantees" is that there's really no significant repercussions for missing their deadline. I mean one free grading per day late, regardless of order size, really is a drop in the bucket. For example, if PSA is a week late with a 1000-card order then I get 7 free gradings? And considering I have to pay shipping both ways to capitalize on those "free" gradings, they aren't so free anymore.

Mike

1954 · August 7, 2006 1:43AM

Hopefully all you got that I was being a bit sarcastic with the original post. I am pretty impatient and it does bother me when I see other submissions being done in three business days and I have been waiting for 4 weeks.
Jawhawke- I actually said in the my first thread that I should pay for quicker service because I am too impatient. But my real point to this thread was to discuss how unfair it is that one invoice gets done quicker than the next in the SAME SERVICE special. I realize Jawhawke that you have probably sent in tons of invoices and you are an expert in this area, I was just trying to be funny and get my point across.
As a consumer we all want to be treated fairly. If we all pay for the same service, we all should wait the same time. Let the guys that have paid the extra money go before the monthly special customers. I believe that many of you that have responded feel the same way that I do.

Shane

envoy98 · August 7, 2006 2:08AM

<< 

<< jayhawke> It's been pretty common knowledge for a while that PSA's graders are paid either largely or entirely on volume.

Mike >>

The ranges for grader wages I have been quoted by a former PSA grader were around $0.75 to $1.00 per card. >>

I should become a grader...40-60+ cards / hr easily and .75-$1/card. If that's the case, they are making $65-$120k / yr as card graders. Why did I become a software developer? Hell I like cards a lot better and I'd be happy to take $120k to grade them!

mikeschmidt · August 7, 2006 2:56AM

<< 

I should become a grader...40-60+ cards / hr easily and .75-$1/card. If that's the case, they are making $65-$120k / yr as card graders. Why did I become a software developer? Hell I like cards a lot better and I'd be happy to take $120k to grade them!

>>

You say that now. All you need is one Solomon Cramer-type to dump on your lap 5,000 1990 Topps Sammy Sosa rookies for grading. How long until you took a scalpel to your eyeballs grading out that submission...?

1954 · August 7, 2006 3:12AM

Now that is funny and very true. I think one reason why some invoices get done quicker than others is because they have graders that only grade 1970's to present. I think they have fewer invoices from this time period thus the quick turnaround. If you combine the invoice with autographed cards with commons from the 1970's two different departments need to look at them. In the case of my invoice, I believe that is the case. I had cards from the 1967 topps pirates sticker set and then autographs from the 1997 leaf signature series on one invoice.

Shane

jradke4 · August 7, 2006 3:37AM

Not sure that is true shane.

My recent sub that must be sitting next to yours somewhere is made up entirely of 1990's or newer cards. Yes there are some auto's but they dont have to go to PSA/DNA because they are all factory issued cards. All that needs to be done is the grading.

1954 · August 7, 2006 4:01AM

jradke4- My autographs are certified also. I really can't tell you why some get graded slower than others if this is not the case. Hopefully they will be done soon.

Shane

envoy98 · August 7, 2006 4:35AM

<< 

<< 

I should become a grader...40-60+ cards / hr easily and .75-$1/card. If that's the case, they are making $65-$120k / yr as card graders. Why did I become a software developer? Hell I like cards a lot better and I'd be happy to take $120k to grade them!

>>

You say that now. All you need is one Solomon Cramer-type to dump on your lap 5,000 1990 Topps Sammy Sosa rookies for grading. How long until you took a scalpel to your eyeballs grading out that submission...? >>

lol. good point!

RonBurgundy · August 7, 2006 5:21AM

Interesting thread. A couple of points:

1) The quoted wages of ..75 to $1.00 per card are accurate.

2) When you do a bulk submission, I would suggest sending in cards of one year only or two years at the max. This increases the odds that your order will get graded faster as it is a type of order that the graders can review faster. No guarantee of course, but anything you can do to increase your odds, you do (including following to the letter the directions to properly package your cards).

Stay classy,

Ron

mcastaldi · August 7, 2006 7:18AM

Ron> I'd say it just depends. The last PSA special I submitted went like this -

Roughly 135 cards total. This was broken up into two submissions - one of 100 cards and another of 35 cards. This is because of PSA's screwy shipping charges - shipping costs less if you do a 100-card order and a 35-card order than it does to do a single 135-card order. So I ship the two orders (all 70s & early 80s stuff) in the same box. Both were received in the same day. They were completed about 2 weeks apart from each other. And based on the discrepency of the grades between the two orders, they clearly weren't done by the same grader.

Mike

jackstraw · August 7, 2006 9:33AM

My Opinion:
If PSA salaried their graders nothing would get done. I would imagine if grader x is grading 20 cards an hour where is the incentive to grade more? Where is the incentive for the grader next to them to do more? I think you all answered the question about per card pay, much more opurtunity to work later, take shorter breaks and work a weekend or two because you can use the money.

mcastaldi · August 7, 2006 11:03AM

straw> About a year ago, I suggested what I thought was a well-thought-out method of improving grading accuracy/consistency. PSA generally wasn't interested in what I had to say. My plan included compensating graders on a combination of volume and accuracy. Obviously, there would have to be a second tier of grader which would review the accuracy of the front-line graders. As I mentioned, PSA wasn't interested.

Mike

Wabittwax · August 7, 2006 11:16AM

The amazing thing about these threads is that we all know that the right people read these threads. Carol will always jump in when she finds something appropriate to comment on. Although 99% of us agree that FIFO is the best policy, it still isn't happening. They know we want it, they just won't do it.

FJ · August 7, 2006 1:43PM

<< The amazing thing about these threads is that we all know that the right people read these threads. Carol will always jump in when she finds something appropriate to comment on. Although 99% of us agree that FIFO is the best policy, it still isn't happening. They know we want it, they just won't do it. >>

With people paying different rates for different speeds of service, a true FIFO system is very difficult. You could break it out as FIFO for each service type, but this would just add administration costs to PSA without any additional revenue. You will not get an improved service unless additional revenue is thought to be a realistic fruit.

Also, the graders can select their stacks to a certain extent. At $1 per card, I personally would want an easy stacks of cards from the same year and same brand. That would be easy money. Once you start jumping years, brands, add real stars and send in more non-mainstream items, this is less profitable for the grader. Basically the payment program for the graders, combined with paying more for faster service, completely conflicts with a true FIFO system.

5STAT · August 7, 2006 3:35PM

FJ..you're correct...that fact that IF they get to choose their orders is at the forefront of the problem!!

If they keep taking the easy stuff and glossing over the harder submissions..that leads to the lag and discrepancy in times. If the sub is for 100..1975 and 76 BB cards at the $5 special...it shouldn't be any different than a sub of 100 with 23 1974 BB..17 84-85 OPC Hockey cards...12 1981 Topps FB and the other 48 all different Michael Jordans....for example.

Yes the 1st should be done pretty quickly...the second would take time.
BUT...we're paying for the same service...at the same level..

If they do have a choose at all in what they grade....THAT is the start of the problems.

How many of us ever told our employers what WE wanted to do for work??
I had a few try it with me.....they were shown the door.

But as my post above said..I have an 1015 card order there right now. I paid for the 45 days. Problem....it is mixed sports (BB, BSKT, FB,Golf)...it is mixed years (92-2006)...there are 300 different Jordans alone...all mixed subsets and parallels...some hard to look up....
So I know that it took me close to 3 weeks just to properly prepare this order and get it labled and packed. I can only guess as to what it takes on the other end to finish an order like this off.
If I see my cards in September..I will be pleased.

Now if they were soley 1000 baseball singles in just a few mixed years...I would hope that they'd be back alot sooner than that!!

seinbigd · August 7, 2006 10:54PM

After reading this thread, one possible solution PSA could consider is posting the grades on the last day of the service paid for. If the service paid for is a 45 day turn-around, post the grades on the 45th day. If the grading process is completed in 22 days, just put it on a shelf and program a computer system so that grades post on the 45th day which will trigger shipping the package thereafter. By doing so, PSA will stop all the whinning, moaning and complaining about some people receiving their invoices before others...

Thankfully PSA doesn't adhere to the above. But it might be wise to be careful what you ask for; you might get it.

1954 · August 8, 2006 12:21AM

Seinbigd-
PSA would not want the liability of housing graded cards for an extra 20 days after they were graded. Their insurance would double which would mean that our costs would increase to have cards graded.
If you went to the doctors office and signed in as the second patient to see the doctor and did not get looked at until 5 hours later because others after you had an easier case than you or better insurance, would that stop you from using that doctor? I would not continue with that type of service.
PSA has been very good to us collectors. The turnaround is not really my point on this as it is to say be more consisitant with turnaround for the same service.

Shane

Griffins · August 8, 2006 12:41AM

<< PSA would not want the liability of housing graded cards for an extra 20 days after they were graded. >>

Not sure they care. I had an order get done in 7 days (10 day service) and got the grades, but 3 weeks later it still hasn't shipped. Just sitting there on the shelf, apparently.

1954 · August 8, 2006 12:55AM

Believe me, they care. Insurance companies do an audit each year reviewing payroll, reviewing sales and reviewing inventory. If they are found that it has exceeded last years numbers their work. comp, liability and personal property all premiums will be raised. Insurance is a very costly factor when it comes to figuring pricing.
Griffins- they care but sometimes mistakes occur in handling. The last thing PSA wants to do is file a claim for your expensive cards. When PSA does misplace an order or does damage to the card, they usually compensate you with vouchers. If the card was a $6000 item, they would have to pay for this out of pocket or file a claim. This is exactly why PSA charges more for higher dollar items- they want it out of their hands immediately.

Shane

jayhawke · August 8, 2006 3:12AM

This thread has brought back a flash back. I need to repair my car, so I call the dealer and make an appointment a week in advance. I get to the dealer and drop the car off. Five hours later I decide to call the dealer because they haven't called me yet. The service center tells me that they take waiters before appointments. Wait this is not fair, why do I have to make an appointment a week in advance if they are going to take people who just walked through the door. On top of that, my repair is $500 and the waiters are only getting $29 oil changes. Very unfair. I guess I have to lie and tell them that I am waiting. As a later of fact, every auto dealer, repair shop, tire store does the exact same thing.

1954 · August 8, 2006 8:17AM

Jayhawke,
The difference is that I go down the street to one of the other 32 body shops/oil changing stations and have them do it and they will appreciate my business. Not that PSA does not appreciate all of our business regardless of how large our collection is/is not. PSA has a great thing for us collectors, I wish they would operate the FIFO system for the collectors specials. When I pay for the 10 day service or the 2 day service, I am pleased to see it done sooner, but don't expect it. When I see other invoices on the same special completed ahead of mine it is a little frusterating.

1954

HouseOfCards · August 9, 2006 1:27AM

Didn't I once read that certain graders specialize in grading certain cards (vintage/modern etc.)? If this is true and they mainly keep them on those tasks, this may be the reason they can't do a FIFO. No?

mcastaldi · August 9, 2006 1:34AM

House of Cards> While that's the common understnading, and whether it's true or not isn't the problem. The core problem is that two orders received/entered on the same day and containg cards of the exact same makeup/year range can be finished weeks apart.

Mike

SDavid · August 9, 2006 5:39AM

After reading this thread, one possible solution PSA could consider is posting the grades on the last day of the service paid for. If the service paid for is a 45 day turn-around, post the grades on the 45th day. If the grading process is completed in 22 days, just put it on a shelf and program a computer system so that grades post on the 45th day which will trigger shipping the package thereafter. By doing so, PSA will stop all the whinning, moaning and complaining about some people receiving their invoices before others...

Thankfully PSA doesn't adhere to the above. But it might be wise to be careful what you ask for; you might get it.

That's what Beckett does. If you pay for the 45 day service, you wait the entire 45 business days. That's why I haven't had any complaints about PSA's service and it's why I've quit sending lower end modern rookies to BGS.

1954 · August 10, 2006 12:07AM

That is the reason why Beckett grades 1000 cards per week too.

Shane

5STAT · August 10, 2006 1:57PM

TextThat's what Beckett does. If you pay for the 45 day service, you wait the entire 45 business days. That's why I haven't had any complaints about PSA's service and it's why I've quit sending lower end modern rookies to BGS

Funny..all the guys that I do shows with that send to Beckett ... "claim" that they have a 10 day gurantee...minumum grade of 9 (if not 9.5 or 10)....with a $10 per card price tag on the order.

They have oodles of current stuff all 9.0.. 9.5....and 10's

Best part...they buy my seconds (stuff that I wouldn't send to PSA as I deemed them not PSA 10 worthy)...cards that I thought were 8's are coming back 9's and 9.5's.

Cummon...something's rotten in Demark.

A couple "claim" to have simliar deals with GAI

But then again...this hobby is loaded with blow hards..fabricators..and out right liars...we all seen them at shows...or Shop at Home...lol

Just figured this out-you might think twice about 45 day specials

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