What will this Mantle grade?

frankhardy · August 3, 2006 5:18AM

I'm sending this off today. Just got it today. What do y'all think it will grade. No hidden flaws.

CdnOsfan · August 3, 2006 5:19AM

6?

baseballfanatic · August 3, 2006 5:19AM

5 OC

envoy98 · August 3, 2006 5:20AM

Looks like a 7, maybe a 7(OC)

MajorDanby · August 3, 2006 5:33AM

agree with baseball fanatic...5 OC. maybe 6 OC, 5 NQ.

bri2327 · August 3, 2006 6:07AM

5

ldferg · August 3, 2006 6:09AM

5 oc

DaBigHurt · August 3, 2006 6:14AM

Min Size Req'D on first submission, 5 on the second and a 6 on the third try.

digicat · August 3, 2006 6:17AM

Where are you guys getting OC from? The card's about 32/68 l/r, 38/62 t/b. PSA 8's allow for up to 70/30.

It looks like all 4 corners are a little touched. I'd expect a PSA 7.

jcdcubs · August 3, 2006 6:20AM

maybe PSA 7 (OC) or 1 grade less.

iamthegreatcornholio · August 3, 2006 6:43AM

<< <i>Where are you guys getting OC from? The card's about 32/68 l/r, 38/62 t/b. PSA 8's allow for up to 70/30. >>

That's only true sometimes. The guideline is: Centering must be approximately 65/35 to 70/30 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.

On a card with a high contrast and relatively wide border, 65/35 is generally the max for an 8. (I know from experience. When I had my 1965 Topps set, I had a Joe Torre that was 9OC with 67/33 centering. They would not grade it an 8 because of the centering despite being with the "gray-area" of the standards.)

My guess is a 7 NQ. No way would they give you a qualifier on a 7.

jmbkb4 · August 3, 2006 6:45AM

I think this is a strong 6

SDavid · August 3, 2006 6:49AM

strong 5 or a weak 6.

frankhardy · August 3, 2006 6:51AM

I sure thought that the centering would qualify for a straight 7. I believe the corners are a definite 7. I was just wanting y'alls opinions. Thanks. Feel free to add more opinions.

I will let y'all know the grade once it is back. I also sent in a 34 Goudey Gehrig that I expect a strong 3 or 4.

packCollector · August 3, 2006 6:59AM

looks like a solid 6 , no way will that card get a qualifier.

bighurt2000 · August 3, 2006 6:59AM

Looks like on the left side of the picture there maybe some paper lose from the left of his hat down to
the top of the Yankees flag white spots or is that just the scan?

ToppsCo1lector · August 3, 2006 7:02AM

Looks like a strong 6, although I have my reservations about it being trimmed.

chaz43 · August 3, 2006 8:01AM

6 chaz

ROBERTB · August 3, 2006 8:04AM

6 OC

zef204 · August 3, 2006 8:06AM

straight 6.

As said, the centering is well within the standards for an 8.

themetalsign · August 3, 2006 8:18AM

5

Allen · August 3, 2006 8:45AM

7 Orange County (OC)

5STAT · August 3, 2006 8:49AM

4 touched corners...slightly oc TB and LR...
left edge looks questionable...
slight snowflakes...pd's..

if not trimmed..card is a solid 5. Anything more is a gift...

Buccaneer · August 3, 2006 9:31AM

I really don't understand some of you guys. Do you really know what an OC qualifier is???? I can show you straight PSA 8 with worse centering (70/30) all day long. Why do you think that this is anything under 8, maybe 7, centering? My guess, straight 7 unless a wrinkle.

Mantlefan · August 3, 2006 10:06AM

PSA 7

5STAT · August 3, 2006 10:07AM

what's with the black dots in the bleachers to the left of Mantle's head??

it looks like initials...or DH covered up....

Then again..I see Al Rosens face in my grill cheese too....

The differences in what people see is fun to watch.....the problem with the card is that "technically" it may be in the realm of a 7 or even a 8....but the overall appeal of the card is OC...just looking at it it looks OC..without breaking out the pixel counter.

But that's why some people constantly get high grades and other post about what should have been grades. But to each his own...not everyone wants PSA 8's..9's and 10's...

frankhardy · August 3, 2006 10:09AM

No way is it trimmed.

I am with Buccaneer. I have seen 8's with that centering, and 7's with much worse.

envoy98 · August 3, 2006 10:19AM

I'm still failing to see how this has "8" centering. 65/35 - 70/30 centering is allowed for the front. I opened this up at 6x zoom in mspaint and I get 8L and depending where you stop, either 21 or 22R. which is 74/26 LR centering. Top to bottom I get 59/41. Centering is also based on eye appeal, and I would argue this cards "eye appeal" leans more towards OC. Straight 7 centering has to be 75/25. Check out the paragraph on "the importance of eye appeal and subjectivity in grading" in the SMR.

I will admit, I too have seen cards with worse centering based on the "letter of the law" that have made it into higher holders than the centering should have allowed, but I would suggest that in most cases, those cards exhibited typical centering for the issue or exhibited very strong charcteristics in other areas, usually corners.

At any rate, good luck with it. Regardless of what it grades, you can never go wrong with a PSA graded Mantle in your collection.

usmc1986 · August 3, 2006 11:33AM

If I can see corner wear from a scan, it's no 8. PSA 6 if your lucky. Anyway, any graded Mantle is a gem in my book!

Dan

riccaboni · August 3, 2006 11:41AM

Strong 6, weak 7. Corners look a little touched to be an 8.

-Ian

bri2327 · August 3, 2006 11:44AM

<< <i>I really understand some of you guys. Do you really know what an OC qualifier is???? I can show you straight PSA 8 with worse centering (70/30) all day long. Why do you think that this is anything under 8, maybe 7, centering? My guess, straight 7 unless a wrinkle. >>

The centering, although it may be within guidelines for an 8 just does not carry the same eye appeal as it would with other cards. All 4 corners appear to have some rounding, although minor, it is still there. The surface has alot of issues. I am not trying to knock down someones card, but everything added up says 5 to me.

This is why so many people get their subs back and complain about poor grades. If they put personal feelings and wishfull thinking aside and look at the card completely objectively they would understand better why their cards got the grades the did.

stevek · August 3, 2006 12:09PM

Very close, either a straight 5 or 6. I'm gonna guess 5. Sorry, no chance whatsoever for a 7.

Griffins · August 3, 2006 12:23PM

I vote 6.

JVette · August 3, 2006 12:31PM

First appearance - nice looking card. Closer look - touched corners, some snow, looks like a small scratch. I think a 6. But still a very nice Mantle. Best of luck - and we would appreciate knowing what it grades if you submit it.

MorrellMan · August 3, 2006 12:44PM

I see soft corners - straight 5. If those aren't soft, then my computer screen is a 5.

stown · August 3, 2006 12:46PM

On a good day, a 6. On a bad day, 5.

Regardless, best of luck and let us know how it turns out

Kurtman9 · August 3, 2006 12:49PM

I have never seen an 8 with that kind of centering. Side to side near the top it looks 30/70 at best. The corners look 6.5. The surface looks decent. Overall, I'd give the card a straight 6. I agree with those who have said no way there would be a qualifier with a 5 to 7 grade on that card. My vote = 6.

zef204 · August 3, 2006 1:34PM

<< <i>I see soft corners - straight 5. If those aren't soft, then my computer screen is a 5. >>

Mark, you kill me sometimes.

Good stuff.

5STAT · August 3, 2006 2:00PM

Mantle PSA 6
Mantle PSA 7
Mantle PSA 8

Here are some links to current auctions...note the PSA 8...similar centering...but without the other flaws..
The PSA 6 and PSA 7's are nice too....look to be sharp..and again..without the rest of the problems.

I'll stick with my previous PSA 5 vote for the card in this thread..

zef204 · August 3, 2006 2:20PM

frankhardy · August 3, 2006 10:16PM

Sometimes scans of corners look different than the card looks in hand. I can tell you for certain that the corners are sharper than most of you are saying. I have seen many graded cards, and I feel very strongly that the corners are a STRONG 7. The only question I have about the card is the centering.

I will definitely post the grade when I get it. If I am wrong, I will admit it. I don't believe there is any chance at all that it is a 5. I am about 50/50 in saying either a 6 or 7. I believe it could go either way.

onlyanumber · August 3, 2006 10:22PM

I tend to agree with 5stat about the snow and touches on the corners (even slight) holding this card back from a high grade. I think you have a strong 6 with the shot at a 7

fiveniner · August 4, 2006 1:08AM

6

cravetopps · August 4, 2006 10:22AM

5 (OC); looks slightly under 70-30, hence the OC.

Buccaneer · August 4, 2006 10:34AM

<< <i>5 (OC); looks slightly under 70-30, hence the OC. >>

This still gets me. Look at the PSA criteria for the centering - pay attention to the percentages. PSA 8 can be up to 70/30 (again, I have seen too many PSA 8 with 70/30 centering or slightly under). Where the @%!$# are people getting 6OC or 5OC from?????

I can't comment on the corners, they very well could be 5 or 7 corners, I can't really tell.

ArnyVee · August 4, 2006 11:40AM

I put in a vote for a 6...keep your fingers crossed though cause it could end up at a 5.

jmbkb4 · August 4, 2006 11:49AM

Strong 6. Come on guys, get a brain!!!!!

BobaFett72 · August 4, 2006 1:16PM

strong 6, weak 7.

better yet, don't entomb it in plastic. esp. if you think its going to be something youll keep resubmitting $$$ cha-ching.

Ahmanfan · August 4, 2006 3:29PM

it's probably a 6 or 7 I would guess.

I dont understand the opinion of 5 OC or 6 OC? I have never seen these grades... do they even exist?
John

incugator · August 4, 2006 4:21PM

I put a vote for a 6. Possibly 7 or 7(oc). I'll root for a 7.

bjork73 · August 4, 2006 5:20PM

I'd buy ya a beer or two if that got a 5

I'd say a 6, MAYBE a 7 if the grader had a couple...

What will this Mantle grade?

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