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UPDATE...Grades>>>!!!Has anyone ever sent pictures along with a grading submission??
JustaRookie
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UPDATE: JUST AS WAS PREDICTED, I KNOW MY PICTURES SUCK BUT THE VIDEO IS TRUTHFULLY REVEALING. On the clip I got a MS-65 RD the second coin was BBed as dmaged and I immediaterly stopped the shipping for a resubmission to presendential review. My faith in PCGS rests on this result as THIS IS NOT A DOCTORED OR DAMAGED COIN!!!! If the damage PCGS is referring to is mint caused damage then I would accept that but if it remains damaged after the review then I am done with PCGS. Anyone wanting to call me on this I will send the clipped graded coin along with the "so called" damaged coin and the other 48 from this roll for you to insepct, on my dime. Of course I will send them with a tamper proof seal. If there are any members/dealers in the Chicago area, I would be more than willing to have them view these coins so that they can make their own assesment. I am just getting so tired of waisting my money.... I have a challenge on the board, soemone take me up on this offer, please.....
I just called PCGS yesterday to check on a submission that contained 2 1955 1 cent coins that had mint errors. One was obvious, a clip, but the other was a die rotation on the reverse and could be seen easily with the naked eye and under 10x was clearly evident as the left wheat stalk had ran right through the top of the O in ONE. When I inquired about the submission, as I screwed it up originally when I sent it and wanted to make sure it did not come back messed up, the person I spoke with had indicated that the submission had notes indicating only the obvious one was noted as an error and there was no indication that the other one was. I requested a shipping hold be put on the order and that I be called before it is shipped to explain the error so that the slab reflects the error. I even went as far as sending a note along with the submission to explain the error on the coin in question so I am a bit puzzled by the information I was given about the coin. I took detailed pictures which clearly show the error on this coin but I stopped short of sending the pcitures along with the submission. My question to you is, "Have any of you ever sent photos along with a submission for VAR designation or mint errors, annotaing the picture to illustrate what you see?" Just curious. Responses appreciated.
Edited to add: I just rembered I posted pictures of these here. Here is the linky. The bottom coin is the one I am referring to, duh that is pretty obivous. Let me know what you think.
1955 errors
I just called PCGS yesterday to check on a submission that contained 2 1955 1 cent coins that had mint errors. One was obvious, a clip, but the other was a die rotation on the reverse and could be seen easily with the naked eye and under 10x was clearly evident as the left wheat stalk had ran right through the top of the O in ONE. When I inquired about the submission, as I screwed it up originally when I sent it and wanted to make sure it did not come back messed up, the person I spoke with had indicated that the submission had notes indicating only the obvious one was noted as an error and there was no indication that the other one was. I requested a shipping hold be put on the order and that I be called before it is shipped to explain the error so that the slab reflects the error. I even went as far as sending a note along with the submission to explain the error on the coin in question so I am a bit puzzled by the information I was given about the coin. I took detailed pictures which clearly show the error on this coin but I stopped short of sending the pcitures along with the submission. My question to you is, "Have any of you ever sent photos along with a submission for VAR designation or mint errors, annotaing the picture to illustrate what you see?" Just curious. Responses appreciated.
Edited to add: I just rembered I posted pictures of these here. Here is the linky. The bottom coin is the one I am referring to, duh that is pretty obivous. Let me know what you think.
1955 errors
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
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double strike, off metal, off center, clip, etc., you
should always write on the submission FLIP itself
what the error is - it directs the person looking at
the coin to the area you want them to see.
Don't forget, that if it's a minor error, or in this
case, maybe a minor rotation, the person can't
spend 3 minutes just looking for the error that you
found.....so help yourself and PCGS out, by putting
what you think is wrong with the coin directly on
the sumission flip, not just the submission form.
Also, remember that for errors, the description line
is 22-23 charactors/spaces, so what can be said
on the tag is limited.
Fred
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That doesn't necessarily mean the coin can't be damaged.
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is the circle a scratch or a wire strike through?
what is the purpose of paying to slab a coin that has a value near $10?
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<< <i>Mint errors sometimes garner a premium but I am not a wheeler and dealer. I am not into this to make money!!!!!!!!!! $10????? MS-67 RD is much more than that and one of these 50 is for sure that...maybe I should have SGS or ICG grade them....??? I am not out here to be bashed....as the crusty busty or gold king collectors may want to and if they wish to then bring it on as I have very big shoulders to carry the bashing and will not critisize their choice of what they want to collect. Like I said, bring it on.......choose to see!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What??? Are there this many nominees for Marty's rubber chicken award???? >>
JustaRookie, you might be better served, by both posters to your thread and even PCGS, if you interact in a calmer, more friendly, less defensive/confrontational fashion. People are trying to help you, and your "bring it on" attitude wont get you anywhere, at least not anywhere with respect to your coins.
Both coins look like damaged- outside- the- mint pocket change to me!
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While you might not like them, you have already received a number of opinions. Remember, it's often quite difficult to provide meaningful help from images.
Frankly, practically speaking, it wont really matter if everyone here agrees with you, if PCGS disagrees. I'd suggest that you spend your time, calmly and politely trying to relay your information to them.
On the second coin, the one with the rotated twist- Is there any noticeable doubling, or evidence of the twist on any of the reverse lettering? Is there a twist on the letters ONE or CENT or is the effect you are seeing only on the wheat ears? How about the EPU- is that showing the effect also?
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some of the best numismatists in the country were there
I will stand by my previous thread
A couple of the better error people will be at the Canadian Numistmatic Convention on July 20-23 in Niagara Falls Ontario giving away free opinions, are you up for a road trip?
My understanding of your description (and please clarify where I'm wrong) is that you see design elements, specifically the wheat ears, doubled and rotated under the letters of USA and/or EPU, and you posit that this was caused by the die twisting during the strike. If the die really did twist during the strike the design elements would show shearing, for example the shelf-like doubling known as "machine doubling" or "strike doubling" is caused by slight rotation of the dies as they release from the face of a struck coin. The doubled areas are low, flat, and directly adjacent to the original design feature without any notching or separation.
For raised wheat ears to appear under the letters your coin would have to be multi-struck, with the coin rotating slightly CCW between the strikes. However, if that were the case, you would expect to see elements from the first strike on both faces, not just the reverse. It is impossible for only one die to strike the coin, and extremely rare for one die to rotate between strikes. If double-struck, the original strike would be most evident directly under the raised elements of the design - any features in the flat fields will most likely be obliterated by the second strike. Take a look on ebay for a cent struck on a dime planchet and you can see some of what I'm referring to.
Without seeing the coin (your pictures are too small to be of any use), I have a guess as to what you might have. By any chance was this coin located on the end of the roll? The wheel that automatically crimps the end of a roll can sometimes score the surface of the coin, on the reverse of a wheat cent this counting wheel damage is often aligned perfectly with the ends of the wheat stalks. This will appear as a raised curved line tracing the same arc as the rim, and on close examination you should be able to se where the metal was pushed up fromthe surface of the coin to form the line.
I'll be happy to examine the coin in question, no need to send the other 48 coins from the roll, just PM me for my address. Just promise not to shoot the messenger if you don't like the message.
One last thing - sinin1 wasn't completely off-base with his comment about certifying both this coin and the clip. You might recall I wrote you inquiring after the '55 clip when your first thread appeared, but I withdrew any interest once I found out the coin was at PCGS. Not all, not even most, but many error coin collectors prefer their coins raw, and will be reluctant to pay a premium for a slab that will be reduced to plastic shrapnel within minutes of receipt.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor