Alright dime error experts...I need your opinion.
grabba
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I received this dime in change tonight and instantly noticed a different feel to it. The reeded edge is noticeably thicker and it appears to be struck slightly off center. The left side rim of the dime is thicker and the right side tapers to a thin rim and it also appears the right side is raised a little higher than the left.
I know it isn't worth anything and something I will probably just toss into my junk jar but do I appear to be correct in my observations of this dime?
This is the best picture I could get of it.
I know it isn't worth anything and something I will probably just toss into my junk jar but do I appear to be correct in my observations of this dime?
This is the best picture I could get of it.
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President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay
<< <i>It could be higher striking pressure or a planchet on the thick side. >>
Well, it could be because the thickness is definately noticeable. I was checking some other dimes and the word LIBERTY is almost against the rim and on this dime it looks to be quite a ways from the rim.
Any other thoughts?
Based on the description, and what I can see, and not see, in the scan,
I'd say the dime has a very slight mis-aligned obverse die.
Very common, and the high rim is called a "finned rim", from the excess
pressure of the planchet metal flowing up and "into" the very very thin
area that occurs when the die is off a bit - again, "mis-aligned die".
Hope that helps....
Fred
<< <i>Based on the description, and what I can see, and not see, in the scan,
I'd say the dime has a very slight mis-aligned obverse die.
Very common, and the high rim is called a "finned rim", from the excess
pressure of the planchet metal flowing up and "into" the very very thin
area that occurs when the die is off a bit - again, "mis-aligned die".
Hope that helps....
Fred >>
The master has spoken and I greatly appreciate the information. It was very helpful to me.
Wonder how many collectors here check their change from day to day purchases? I know I do ever since my grandfather gave me some old coins when I was a kid and that was 40 years ago. It's a habit I have always had. The best coin I have found was a 1969-S proof dime and a 1969-S proof nickel within days of each other at seperate stores about 20 years ago.
The only thing I can figure is that either someone burgarlized a home and stole some collections or someone busted up some sets and spent them.
Again, thanks for the help.
There is a very slight misalignment, but nothing that one would consider abnormal.
Perhaps the reverse shows finning.
Normal misalignment shows up in an oblique strike while this one appears more off-center. Again, though, the clues may be on the reverse.
<< <i>Is it possible that the upsetting machine reduced the diameter too much.
Perhaps the reverse shows finning.
Normal misalignment shows up in an oblique strike while this one appears more off-center. Again, though, the clues may be on the reverse. >>
Expansion due to the strike would take care of any minor variability in planchet diameter.
You're right that maybe there's finning on the reverse.
I don't quite understand your comment on misalignments. A horizontal misalignment features horizontal offset of the die. A vertical misalignment involves tilt of the die.
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I don't quite understand your comment on misalignments. A horizontal misalignment features horizontal offset of the die. A vertical misalignment involves tilt of the die. >>
I just meant that when I refer to "misalignment", I'm normally talking about the
dies not hitting square. ie- one side of the die hits the planchet before the other.
I consider being offset to one side to simply be poor centering.
This may be improper terminology.
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Expansion due to the strike would take care of any minor variability in planchet diameter >>
It would be fascinating to see the variability in edges as planchet diameter is re-
duced or increased. The actual location in the coining chamber would also vary
resulting in more edge differences.
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Well, it could be because the thickness is definately noticeable. I was checking some other dimes and the word LIBERTY is almost against the rim and on this dime it looks to be quite a ways from the rim.
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There will not be any difference in the distance from the lettering to the rim each year
except in cases of extreme die wear or if they are a variety or error. This one is normal
for a 2004-P dime.
The second one I was trying to show how thin the right side is and how much the rim is raised.
Don't know if this helps but it is the best I can do.
Many years ago I started to see lots of Dimes with that enlarged rim. At first I added them to my error collection. After a while I noticed I had many, many, many of them. Some are exagerated as much or more than yours. Some are a little less. Many are slightly off center as yours is. After a while I started to put them back into change unless they were really enlarged drastically. For some reason Roosevelt Dives have that wierd thing about them. Haven't seen that on to many other coins. Coins are a lot like people. Some are more wierd than others.
<< <i>I'm sort of an error coin collector. I've accumulated aabout 8 of those big red boxes full of any kind of error all in 2x2's.
Many years ago I started to see lots of Dimes with that enlarged rim. At first I added them to my error collection. After a while I noticed I had many, many, many of them. Some are exagerated as much or more than yours. Some are a little less. Many are slightly off center as yours is. After a while I started to put them back into change unless they were really enlarged drastically. For some reason Roosevelt Dives have that wierd thing about them. Haven't seen that on to many other coins. Coins are a lot like people. Some are more wierd than others. >>
You know...I think you are absolutely right...lol. I found this just now going through my change for the day.