I have decided to do a Roosie set!

smiles72 · April 23, 2006 11:25AM

Some of you guys could buy me 300 times over.

But, I shouldn't let my poorness keep me from going for something.

I am going after the Silver Roosie (1946-1964) set in PCGS ms66 FB.
I am really learning a great deal about grading these coins. But, I need to lean on PCGS to help me for a while.

I really like blast white coins, so this will take me a while to find everything.

Plus I have to do it with about $200 a month.

Based on current prices, it will take me 3-4 years.

Would any of you Roosie experts have any advice for me?

Also, if any of you think it is possible to buy raw coins and slab them, let me know ways to accomplish this.

I was also thinking about posting each coin as I get them. I thought it would be a good motivation to share my success.

drddm · April 23, 2006 11:28AM

Congrats. I just finished my first set yesterday.

Remember, don't settle on any coins if they don't meet your standards. Completing a NICE set is more important than just finishing it in a timely fashion.

Good luck

smiles72 · April 23, 2006 11:32AM

Thanks for the advice brother.

One more question for you Roosie cats.

Are there differences in how PCGS and NGC grade this series?

Just curious if anything has been noticed.

JM

coincollecter15 · April 23, 2006 11:36AM

I am currently working on a Roosie set They are raw and i'm putting them in an album Most of mine are at least ms 60 but not even half way done yet

kryptonitecomics · April 23, 2006 11:37AM

My only advice would be to go with Toned Roosies....much more attractive and unique then those old white ones

I think NGC grades FTs harder then PCGS....something about both sets of torch lines having to be full for an NGC FT designation which doesn't seem to be the case with PCGS...................I am sure the real Roosie possy will show up to provide further details

fcloud · April 23, 2006 11:37AM

I have had bad luck in trying to get FB coins graded as FB. I think some of the coins I had submitted were no brainer FB coins. I stopped submitting because it seems more of a game on how much money they can take from me, so now I buy them graded or not at all. Good luck!

smiles72 · April 23, 2006 11:39AM

Thanks for the words guys.

Fcloud, your merc collection is fantastic.

Well Done!!!!!!!!!

ccr · April 23, 2006 11:43AM

Here is a series from a board member that died last year.

He was an all around great guy!

Roosie Grading Set - 1 of 4 MS67FT and MS67

Roosie Grading Set - 2 of 4 MS66FT and MS66

Roosie Grading Set - 3 of 4 MS65FT and MS65

Roosie Grading Set - 4 of 4 MS64FT and MS64

F117ASR · April 23, 2006 11:57AM

Making a roosie set sounds awesome. I personally agree with you to go blast white. Also I think that on your $200 a month budget (assuming you buy the coins raw and grade them), you could complete the set in less than 4 years. Of course, I wouldn't want to rush. Go for quality. And good luck with your set. Keep us updated.

cladking · April 23, 2006 12:01PM

If you're ever going to be interested in the clad Roosies now is the time
to start a collection. These are much more numerous and much tougher
than the silver versions but tend to sell for far less. Collect what you en-
joy and if that's only the blast white silvers then stick to them.

morgannut2 · April 23, 2006 12:33PM

It's a fact I think that many collectors have their "taste" in coins change through time. I would lean towards getting say 4 common white and 4 rainbow toned Roosies to start. If you keep them for awhile before spending at lot on tougher & more expensive dates, you'll be sure of the ultimate "look" you're looking for 3 years from now. It's also important to learn the difference between a dipped brillant white Roosie and one that's white, but totally original. Have Fun!

Fairlaneman · April 23, 2006 12:44PM

Good luck with the roosie adventure. With 200 bucks a month you should have the set done in no time at all.

Ken

F117ASR · April 23, 2006 2:27PM

Making a roosie set sounds awesome. I personally agree with you to go blast white. Also I think that on your $200 a month budget (assuming you buy the coins raw and grade them), you could complete the set in less than 4 years. Of course, I wouldn't want to rush. Go for quality. And good luck with your set. Keep us updated.

F117ASR · April 23, 2006 2:31PM

smiles72 · April 23, 2006 2:32PM

Actually,

My intent is to buy mostly graded specimens.

I am just curious as to the best ways to find raw specimens and them have them graded.

It seems I could save some money by doing it this way.

Maybe I am wrong.

Joe

F117ASR · April 23, 2006 2:59PM

Yes you can save money (though you will lose a little at the start as you learn to grade for yourself) and the best part of it all is the hunt. Not to mention the satisfaction of having made every piece you own. Some places to search, well I am no expert but perhaps BU rolls and mint sets would be a start. Go to coin shows so that you can choose from tons of them. Most importantly have fun and don't ever settle for something that does not satisfy you. Good luck with your search!

TwoSides2aCoin · April 23, 2006 3:11PM

Joe it is fun trying to "make" a coin yourself, but most of us who think we can see a grade are actually terrible at it.
You gotta trust the slabbed one first (the right company's slab, too). Buy a few of them. The "pros" here could tell you more accurately which years have weak die strikes, or which years are easier to make that FB in. But really, after a year of submitting coins, as a novice with a pretty decent eye (about an average of $200 per month in grading fees)... I have found that if you are bent on a particular series, it would be wise for you to buy already graded FB coins rather than try "making" them on your own, without some experience.
Buy a few PCGS FB 66's of the roosies and then a few raw examples. Then one in an NGC holder, one in a PCI holder, and one in an ICG or ANACS holder.... Test your skills....
That would be my advice... oh, and one more piece of advice :

Enjoy it, cuz once a guy starts, it is tough to stop.
Wild horses couldn't drag me away !

.... now a couple of jackasses-
that's a different story

cladking · April 23, 2006 11:16PM

<< Joe it is fun trying to "make" a coin yourself, but most of us who think we can see a grade are actually terrible at it.
You gotta trust the slabbed one first (the right company's slab, too). Buy a few of them. The "pros" here could tell you more accurately which years have weak die strikes, or which years are easier to make that FB in. But really, after a year of submitting coins, as a novice with a pretty decent eye (about an average of $200 per month in grading fees)... I have found that if you are bent on a particular series, it would be wise for you to buy already graded FB coins rather than try "making" them on your own, without some experience.
Buy a few PCGS FB 66's of the roosies and then a few raw examples. Then one in an NGC holder, one in a PCI holder, and one in an ICG or ANACS holder.... Test your skills....
>>

I agree.

Almost any set is extremely difficult to assemble in extremely high grade strictly from raw coins. Even if
the only problem were the great amount of work, time and effort then there is still a lot of expense find-
ing quantities of coins to search. This is the reason that this wasn't widely done back in the days before
the internet and grading companies. In those days the coins would be cheap but you'd spend vast sums
finding them.

There's no reason you can't look for raw coins as you are assembling a set and there are some dates that
are a little easier to find in high grade. While you're looking for gems keep an eye out for the varieties.
Even if you don't collect these they'll help pay for your search. When you finally find a high grade variety
it will be very difficult not to add it to your collection.

kiyote · April 24, 2006 12:35AM

I have a complete set of raw MS65+ coins (Didn't go for the FB designations) that I was able to complete in about 2 years. I usually spent between $7 and $15 per coin, with the exception of a few that went as high as $50. (The 1950-64 proofs were a bit pricer, too) If you have your heart set on FBs, go the PCGS graded route and forget about the submission game.

Building a nice BU raw set will be far cheaper, but you seem set on FBs. It'll be a worthy endeavor. My only advice is don't pay crazy money for toners if you decide to go that route. There's an army of amazingly toned Roosies out there.

Jdurg · April 24, 2006 1:59AM

<< I have a complete set of raw MS65+ coins (Didn't go for the FB designations) that I was able to complete in about 2 years. I usually spent between $7 and $15 per coin, with the exception of a few that went as high as $50. (The 1950-64 proofs were a bit pricer, too) If you have your heart set on FBs, go the PCGS graded route and forget about the submission game.

Building a nice BU raw set will be far cheaper, but you seem set on FBs. It'll be a worthy endeavor. My only advice is don't pay crazy money for toners if you decide to go that route. There's an army of amazingly toned Roosies out there. >>

I will second that statement. I completed a set of "nice looking" Roosies a while back myself. I wasn't going for any specific grade or condition. I was just going for coins that looked "acceptable" to me. This leaves me plenty of room to upgrade over time if I see fit, but also gives me the satisfaction of having a completed set. Mind you, these are all "raw" coins and I even cracked a few graded proofs out of their holders to put them in my Dansco album. I can concurr that the 1950-1964 proofs were pretty tough to find for a reasonable price. David Lawrence Rare Coins was able to help me out, however, and thanks to them I was able to find the proofs I needed for very, VERY reasonable prices.

Good luck with the collection!

kiyote · April 24, 2006 3:22AM

<< 
I can concurr that the 1950-1964 proofs were pretty tough to find for a reasonable price. David Lawrence Rare Coins was able to help me out, however, and thanks to them I was able to find the proofs I needed for very, VERY reasonable prices.

<< 

I was able to find all of the proofs raw with the exception of the 1951, which I ended up getting in NGC PR67CAM for less than $100.

onlyroosies · April 25, 2006 9:37AM

I went and dug up a few nice MS66FB Roosies. I just put them up on the BST board.

You may want to add a few of the more common dates in MS67FB and a few of the
tougher dates in MS65FB. You should be able to pick up 4 or 5 MS67FB for under
$200 a coin and a couple around $100. There will be at least 5 dates in 66FB that
will cost well over $200 a coin and upwards of $400. Drop down to the MS65FB
on those. This is a doable set over a couple year period, you will have trouble with
about a half dozen dates...

Good luck and have fun

rainbowroosie · April 25, 2006 9:39AM

Everyone should collect brilliant roosies!!!!!!!

cladking · April 25, 2006 9:42AM

<< Everyone should collect brilliant roosies!!!!!!!

>>

The important thing is that they collect Roosies at all.

21Walker · April 25, 2006 9:45AM

Great set to go after!! I started this set 6 months ago and just put the 2006PDS's in yesterday. The 46-64 were in a Whitman album. I transfered them to a Dasco and the set looks great.........Good luck with your set and keep an open eye for the key dates graded by PCI.......I found good value and nice coins in these holders that I craked out. The rest of the clad dimes are toning nicely except the silver proofs which are staying bright

Rick

rainbowroosie · April 25, 2006 9:49AM

No, I really do want EVERYONE to collect BRILLIANT roosies!!!!

Colorfulcoins · April 25, 2006 11:37PM

Buy the coin and not the holder....nothing wrong with mixed PCGS and NGC set.....develop an eye for quality and go with it.

TwoSides2aCoin · April 25, 2006 11:43PM

<< No, I really do want EVERYONE to collect BRILLIANT roosies!!!!

>>

um, one more comment like that and Carol might send you over to the BST with such talk

I have decided to do a Roosie set!

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