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Your opinions on this rainbow bag toned Morgan please.
Russ
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In the interest of full disclosure I note that this coin may be going up on eBay. But, the owner hasn't yet decided whether or not to try a cross to PCGS first, thus he'd like the opinions of the forum brain trust to aid in that decision.
Russ, NCNE
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Jj
I'd hit it.
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I'd send it to NGC -- you will get a 64* at a minimum, possibly 65* if its close to quitting time. The NGC * coins seem to do better on eBay than the same numeric grade at PCGS.
I like very much......
64? 65?
I'm thinking it must be in a 65, but the owner isn't sure if it would cross at that grade.
I don't think it would make a 65 at PCGS either, just like about everyone else here.
It's going to get it's premium for the color far more than it will for the grade anyway.
The question seems to be is it better off in a PCGS 64 or it's current slab at...?? What?
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Disagree.......if you need a grading service to tell you a coin has above average eye appeal especially on an attractively toned coin, then you should consider a new hobby. The NGC 'star' designation is completely arbitrary and a totally worthless gimmick IMO.
<< <i><<< A NGC star MS64 holder is probably more desireable than the PCGS holder >>>
Disagree.......if you need a grading service to tell you a coin has above average eye appeal especially on an attractively toned coin, then you should consider a new hobby. The NGC 'star' designation is completely arbitrary and a totally worthless gimmick IMO. >>
From your perspective as an experienced Morgan collector, that's correct. From a market value perspective, it's incorrect. The star designated coins bring significantly more than their un-starred counterparts.
Russ, NCNE
This only tells me that the droves of clueless plastic lemmings is growing in numbers.
I wonder what the plastic lemmings do when they see a killer toned piece in an older 'pre star' NGC holder, would the common sense 'star' then apply?
PCGS 64 and I've had offers from tone dealers for 15x grade.
<< <i><<< From your perspective as an experienced Morgan collector, that's correct. From a market value perspective, it's incorrect. The star designated coins bring significantly more than their un-starred counterparts. >>>
This only tells me that the droves of clueless plastic lemmings is growing in numbers.
I wonder what the plastic lemmings do when they see a killer toned piece in an older 'pre star' NGC holder, would the common sense 'star' then apply?
Hey that actually happened on a coin at Julian Liedmans table at Baltimore. He had a toned Morgan in an old fatty MS65 for PQ money and all the Lemmings walked right past it (his table is the first one in the door at show)--It was sent in for a 65 star and came came back a MS66!!! (as in $2000 more!)
It is nice looking and, I also agree with the comments that the knowledgeable collectors wouldn't need it slabbed, but if someone is going to sell it, I think it is fine being slabbed as the less knowledgeable will be more apt to bid, and higher than they otherwise would have, I think. Knowledgeable collectors will still bid (slabbed or raw).
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Then again, I know zero about coin grading.
<< <i>Then again, I know zero about coin grading. >>
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<< <i>So enough happy talk, the colors are nice but overall the coin is a 63/64. Lots of chatter, nice strike but not a hammered strike. Face the facts, a common coin in unremarkable condition, if not for the color its a $20 coin. But with many buyers going crazy for color in todays market it should sell for a nice premium.
Chris >>
I was going to just clam it shut, but .... I see a weak obverse strike/ terrible cheek/terrible neck/bad obverse field/mediocre reverse with a bad hit, but it sure does have star color. How much that puts on the coin ???
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>The coin actually has very little chatter. In fact, viewed actual size rather than a 600 pixel image, you have to angle the coin even to see what little it has. It's easy to mistake toning breaks for chatter in a large image. As for the strike, the 1883-O is known for being weak. This is an above average example.
Russ, NCNE >>
The obverse did not look like toning breaks, but pics can sure be seen differently than coin in hand. If not chatter, then the coin is PQ with that color. How bad is that hit at 6 on the reverse Russ? It almost looks like a strike thru which would be much better than a hard hit.
<< <i>How bad is that hit at 6 on the reverse Russ? >>
It's a shallow scrape that, frankly, I didn't notice on the coin itself until I looked again after doing the images. More of a shiney patch than a hit.
Russ, NCNE
Good luck with this one Russ.
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<< <i>Looks like a 63 (typical weak strike and marks on the cheek). If not for the toning, a very mediocre coin. >>
Those marks are massively magnified, and even if all were visable at one time, their size would not preclude a 64. You can't count every mark at detrimental when you're looking at a hugely magnified image. Second, New Orleans coins are notoriously weak, and as Russ mentioned, this piece has a much better than average strike, even if it's not as nice as an 81-S.
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<< <i>I like it very much, very much indeed!
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TC71
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<< <i>Second, New Orleans coins are notoriously weak, and as Russ mentioned, this piece has a much better than average strike, even if it's not as nice as an 81-S. >>
Agreed, that coin is very well struck for an 83-O.