On the other hand what disturbs me here is Rick's reply in this area:
<< ........As for the rest I do make coins look better. As do nearly all other coin dealers........... >>
Julian and MrEureka: Where do you fall within Rick's assertion? Also, do you agree that nearly all other dealers make their coins look better?
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I guess you can always go to the "ask the seller a question" feature of one of his listings and ask HIM to explain his statement that got posted here or ask him to come HERE and explain it better.
Julian and MrEureka: Where do you fall within Rick's assertion? Also, do you agree that nearly all other dealers make their coins look better?
Beyond the use of solvents and very rarely dip, I don't mess with coins. For me, it's not a matter of ethics. I just never had much of an interest in that game and I never developed those skills. But if a genie were to grant me supreme coin doctoring powers today, I'd probably use them before sundown.
As for other coin dealers, sure, almost everyone has a jar of dip and a bottle of acetone, but very few do mechanical repairs (like plugging a hole) and technology-assisted surface manipulation.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Julian and MrEureka: Where do you fall within Rick's assertion? Also, do you agree that nearly all other dealers make their coins look better?
Beyond the use of solvents and very rarely dip, I don't mess with coins. For me, it's not a matter of ethics. I just never had much of an interest in that game and I never developed those skills.
Andy's answer fits me to a T. Removing PVC from coins and unattractive toning are the extents that I myself have gone to.
It is possible that the 94 halves are the same coin, but I have not been able to see Rick's original listing, as of yet.
PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows. I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
Of course those dealers that only deal in encapsulated coins and do not crack any out, then they wouldn't need to dip or remove PVC.
PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows. I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
<< <i>Bhartman35 said-- "it's no different that selling a car with repaired damage and not dicslosing that"
Car dealers are only required to disclose repaired frame damage, flood damage, or reclaimed totals. Everything else is either a great new paint job, or it's restored.... >>
Morgannut: Good information to have.
I've got no depth perception, and a damaged attention span (roughly that of your average fruit fly), so I can't drive. (Well, technically the specialists who evaluated me there's a 50/50 chance I could drive, but when the good 50 is "no one gets hurt", suddenly 50% isn't impressive enough odds for me. ) I think there's something called a lemon law here in NJ where you have to disclose Bad Things that happen to your car, though.
If you haven't noticed, I'm single and miserable and I've got four albums of bitching about it that I would offer as proof.
<< <i>I think there's something called a lemon law here in NJ where you have to disclose Bad Things that happen to your car, though. >>
A lemon law is for new vehicles that keep having excessive problems or the same problem recurring over and over again and if the dealer/manufacturer can't or won't fix it to your satisfaction then they are required to give you a new or newer one since it is a lemon. I don't bellieve it has anything much to do with disclosure unless they were to try to sell your OLD LEMON to smoeone else.
The 1794 half dollar in question was offered in the Superior Flanagan (Willasch collection) of May 1990, lot #6, realized $440. Unquestionably a rare die state, but clearly plugged under RT. Also buffed in places. Among the lower tier of this die variety, comprising 32 or so known pieces.
<< <i>A lemon law is for new vehicles that keep having excessive problems or the same problem recurring over and over again and if the dealer/manufacturer can't or won't fix it to your satisfaction then they are required to give you a new or newer one since it is a lemon. I don't bellieve it has anything much to do with disclosure unless they were to try to sell your OLD LEMON to smoeone else. >>
--I wasn't referring to the lemon law. There are a lot of sleasy used car dealers that are currently selling rebuilt vehicles and they will lose their licenses if the "clean the title" by running it through the one or two states that don't print rebuild etc on the titles. Their own State's dealer license requires disclosure or it's tripple damages (3 Xcost of car)-- A current problem is "Flood Cars" out or New Orleans-Gulf Coast, that are redone after the irrepairable flood damage to the electrical etc.
Edited to say that the coin was not a counterfeit but a coin that was rejected for having altered surfaces. The customer finally got his money back from his credit card company.
Tom Pilitowski US Rare Coin Investments 941-629-4765
Edited: Tuesday May 02, 2006 at 8:04 PM by mrearlygold
Thanks for the update!
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
If we're going to do a 100+ post thread flaming someone for selling a counterfeit, we should do at least a few more posts when we find out that the original accusation was in error. Yes, I know the truth can sometimes be boring.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
BTW - I notice that the piece in question was kicked back for Altered Surfaces, my personal favorite no-grade comment (it really doesn't have to mean anything).
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
"As concerning the assertion that I sold a counterfeit coin and the person had trouble getting a refund. I challenge anyone to come foward with that experience. He or she is a liar!"
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
This thread took life at the top of page 2 with a link to a previous thread on this seller.
MrEarlyGold's comments did not induce a 100 ct. thread.................selling a coin that was PLUGGED and not Noting such was what brought the length of this along.
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<< ........As for the rest I do make coins look better. As do nearly all other coin dealers........... >>
Julian and MrEureka: Where do you fall within Rick's assertion? Also, do you agree that nearly all other dealers make their coins look better?
xxxxxxxxxx
I guess you can always go to the "ask the seller a question" feature of one of his listings and ask HIM to explain his statement that got posted here or ask him to come HERE and explain it better.
Beyond the use of solvents and very rarely dip, I don't mess with coins. For me, it's not a matter of ethics. I just never had much of an interest in that game and I never developed those skills. But if a genie were to grant me supreme coin doctoring powers today, I'd probably use them before sundown.
As for other coin dealers, sure, almost everyone has a jar of dip and a bottle of acetone, but very few do mechanical repairs (like plugging a hole) and technology-assisted surface manipulation.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Beyond the use of solvents and very rarely dip, I don't mess with coins. For me, it's not a matter of ethics. I just never had much of an interest in that game and I never developed those skills.
Andy's answer fits me to a T. Removing PVC from coins and unattractive toning are the extents that I myself have gone to.
It is possible that the 94 halves are the same coin, but I have not been able to see Rick's original listing, as of yet.
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
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Of course those dealers that only deal in encapsulated coins and do not crack any out, then they wouldn't need to dip or remove PVC.
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
eBaystore
<< <i>Bhartman35 said-- "it's no different that selling a car with repaired damage and not dicslosing that"
Car dealers are only required to disclose repaired frame damage, flood damage, or reclaimed totals. Everything else is either a great new paint job, or it's restored....
Morgannut: Good information to have.
I've got no depth perception, and a damaged attention span (roughly that of your average fruit fly), so I can't drive. (Well, technically the specialists who evaluated me there's a 50/50 chance I could drive, but when the good 50 is "no one gets hurt", suddenly 50% isn't impressive enough odds for me.
-- Adam Duritz, of Counting Crows
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<< <i>I think there's something called a lemon law here in NJ where you have to disclose Bad Things that happen to your car, though. >>
A lemon law is for new vehicles that keep having excessive problems or the same problem recurring over and over again and if the dealer/manufacturer can't or won't fix it to your satisfaction then they are required to give you a new or newer one since it is a lemon. I don't bellieve it has anything much to do with disclosure unless they were to try to sell your OLD LEMON to smoeone else.
<< <i>A lemon law is for new vehicles that keep having excessive problems or the same problem recurring over and over again and if the dealer/manufacturer can't or won't fix it to your satisfaction then they are required to give you a new or newer one since it is a lemon. I don't bellieve it has anything much to do with disclosure unless they were to try to sell your OLD LEMON to smoeone else. >>
--I wasn't referring to the lemon law. There are a lot of sleasy used car dealers that are currently selling rebuilt vehicles and they will lose their licenses if the "clean the title" by running it through the one or two states that don't print rebuild etc on the titles. Their own State's dealer license requires disclosure or it's tripple damages (3 Xcost of car)-- A current problem is "Flood Cars" out or New Orleans-Gulf Coast, that are redone after the irrepairable flood damage to the electrical etc.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
941-629-4765
Edited: Tuesday May 02, 2006 at 8:04 PM by mrearlygold
Thanks for the update!
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
If we're going to do a 100+ post thread flaming someone for selling a counterfeit, we should do at least a few more posts when we find out that the original accusation was in error. Yes, I know the truth can sometimes be boring.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
BTW - I notice that the piece in question was kicked back for Altered Surfaces, my personal favorite no-grade comment (it really doesn't have to mean anything).
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
Yes. Through Julian, he replied as follows:
"As concerning the assertion that I sold a counterfeit coin and the person had trouble getting a refund. I challenge anyone to come foward with that experience. He or she is a liar!"
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
MrEarlyGold's comments did not induce a 100 ct. thread.................selling a coin that was PLUGGED and not Noting such was what brought the length of this along.
Perhaps, although some might argue that selling fakes is even worse than selling plugged coins.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.