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konsolekonsole Posts: 795 ✭✭✭
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I have basically no experience in dealing with proof coins. I just received this one and the surfaces arent polished because the whole field is mirror-like. So is it a proof and can I get some grade guesses on it please. Too bad for the scratch above the motto.

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    DickyBetzDickyBetz Posts: 3,825
    No it is not a proof. It would grade about MS64
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    JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Unfortunately, it is only a PL, but not a proof.
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    konsolekonsole Posts: 795 ✭✭✭


    << <i>No it is not a proof. It would grade about MS64 >>



    educate me on this then, how can you identify a proof coin, and how can a business strike have such highly reflective surfaces?
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    DickyBetzDickyBetz Posts: 3,825
    Those fields are not what one would call "higthly reflective." Go to ebay and search "dmpl pcgs" and you will find many with awesome prooflike features. Proofs will have exquisitely struck details and fully struck rims and denticals./
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Proof Morgans commonly look kinda like modern proofs, very different from an average or even PL Morgan. No luster to speak of in the field, fairly frosty devices. Generally very strong strikes. I don't have any pictures of the proof morgan that I had online.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
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    Also not a proof.

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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
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    That one is a proof.

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    eyoung429eyoung429 Posts: 6,374 ✭
    Russ has Morgans??????????


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    konsolekonsole Posts: 795 ✭✭✭
    so why is this coins surface so much more mirror-like then any other similar grade morgans I have seen? Does the mint do something to make a coin proof-like?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ has Morgans?????????? >>



    No, Russ has sold Morgans.

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    konsolekonsole Posts: 795 ✭✭✭


    << <i>so why is this coins surface so much more mirror-like then any other similar grade morgans I have seen? Does the mint do something to make a coin proof-like? >>

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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Prooflike circulation strike Morgans are created more by planchet preparation than any other effect in the process. Only fresh dies can have any additional effect on creating the mirrored fields. The prooflike fields on morgans usually is the result of a blank(planchet) having been vigorously polished with a micro-finishing compound, similar to that used by auto detailers. Some polishing was done to the working dies prior to coining, but the effect of striking pressure in coining diminished the mirrored surfaces of the working dies very quickly, to the tune of maybe lasting for the first one to five hundred coins struck. If you look at the documented populations of Proof strike coins, you'll quickly see that these dies only produced an average of slightly over 1000 coins for each of the dates in the series, and that was with much higher striking pressure and multiple strikes(2-5) before the dies were retired. Mint workers just plain didn't have the time or the energy to polish all of the blank planchets intended for coining into circulating coinage, and it would not have been very cost effective(labor).

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    TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭
    This IS NOT a Proof Morgan, Sorry........

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    TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭


    << <i>image

    Also not a proof.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    But a DAMN Nice DMPL!

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    Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭
    I have basically no experience in dealing with proof coins. I just received this one and the surfaces arent polished because the whole field is mirror-like. So is it a proof and can I get some grade guesses on it please. Too bad for the scratch above the motto.

    Tricky stuff. Next coin show you attend, look at every Morgan proof they have there. Proofs have clean surfaces, no frost in the fields, square rims and denticles and mirror
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    grabbagrabba Posts: 1,251


    << <i>

    << <i>Russ has Morgans?????????? >>



    No, Russ has sold Morgans.

    Russ, NCNE >>



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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What lets you recognize (pretty much at first glance) a Morgan proof are the squared rims and hammered dentils. Sharply struck hair detail also helps in the identification.

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