21D Rat Bastidges!! You know who you are!!

MAD4MORGANS · April 5, 2006 9:18AM

You know who you are...

Oh and by the way, have I told you recently...

YOU SUCK and your little dog...err...cat too!!

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eyoung429 · April 5, 2006 9:24AM

My son sends his condolences..... He called me up just after I sent you the 2nd pm and said "Dad, you will never guess what I got for you today!!!!" I feigned great surprise and he told me about the coin he sniped.

Looks like you have a nice one that you won today though........

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DickyBetz · April 5, 2006 9:25AM

Why are you guys getting so worked up over common circulated Morgans?

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MAD4MORGANS · April 5, 2006 9:27AM

<< Why are you guys getting so worked up over common circulated Morgans?

Edited to add:

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To quote another member on the boards...

"VAM Disease is a Funny Thing!!"

Peaceman · April 5, 2006 9:34AM

Vams baby..... VAMs......

earlycoins1com · April 5, 2006 9:40AM

Is there some sort of VAM collection being sold by Heritage in their auction this week? I'm not a VAM guy, but there seems to be alot of the scarcer varieties in that sale.

MAD4MORGANS · April 5, 2006 9:43AM

<< Is there some sort of VAM collection being sold by Heritage in their auction this week? I'm not a VAM guy, but there seems to be alot of the scarcer varieties in that sale. >>

Rut Roh....Gotta run!!

bolivarshagnasty · April 5, 2006 9:44AM

Is it just me, or is DICKy Betz appropriately named?

GAT · April 5, 2006 9:53AM

This VAM business is enough to drive a sane person up a wall. A crack here and a crack there, not the chemical kind, drive otherwise sane men crazy.

wam98 · April 5, 2006 10:01AM

VAMs are fun.

DorkGirl · April 5, 2006 10:03AM

<< VAMs are fun.

>>

Yes they are

MAD4MORGANS · April 5, 2006 10:14AM

<< This VAM business is enough to drive a sane person up a wall. A crack here and a crack there, not the chemical kind, drive otherwise sane men crazy. >>

Or resort to desperate means...

ziggy29 · April 5, 2006 10:14AM

I wonder how many people put up raw Morgans on eBay thinking they'll get $10 or $15, and are shocked to find that thay got $50, $100 or more...

nesvt · April 5, 2006 10:51AM

I'm almost done with this one. Another hour or so with the Dremel and all those nasty stars will be gone.

messydesk · April 5, 2006 10:57AM

<< I wonder how many people put up raw Morgans on eBay thinking they'll get $10 or $15, and are shocked to find that thay got $50, $100 or more... >>

You should see what heppens when someone puts up an unattributed rare 8TF. It's like engineers ona box of donuts, I tell you!

Wolf359 · April 5, 2006 11:50AM

Guess I'll join the fun:

1921-D 1Z

1891-O VAM-1A in AU55+

1879-S Rev 78, VAM-34B 6th known

1900-O/CC VAM-7

1921-D VAM-1S

MAD4MORGANS · April 5, 2006 12:15PM

<< Guess I'll join the fun: >>

Looks like you've been having way...WAY too much fun!!

Nice grabs!! And cheap too!!

eyoung429 · April 11, 2006 2:08AM

Finally have it in-hand.....VERY nice breaks!!!!!

Die break above "F" in denticles----- check!

dot at lft wing/neck----- Check!!!!

Got Breaks?????

"E" in United

"M" in America - Massive!!!!

MAD4MORGANS · April 11, 2006 12:07PM

Ok...Ok...YOU SUCK!! Are you happy now??

eyoung429 · April 11, 2006 12:22PM

for the evening crew

bbrebelz · April 11, 2006 2:11PM

So, is a VAM and a die break one and the same. Or are they two totally different things? I'm confused.

eyoung429 · April 11, 2006 2:27PM

A VAM is a number or alphanumeric assignment to a particular aspect of a coin. This can be doubling, missing letters, die gouges, missing features, die breaks....etc It is based on the acronym of Leroy C. Van Allen and A. George Mallis who had done extensive research into different die that were used to make the silver dollars.

Die breaks are formed when dies are used to the extent where they develop cracks and then actual pieces of the dies start to break off. These breaks and cracks are used as PUP's (pick up points) to distinguish different dies and die states.

Here is a link to a better explanation by Rob Joyce.

Rob Joyce Rare Coins vam link

Hope this helps.

Wolf359 · April 11, 2006 3:41PM

<< So, is a VAM and a die break one and the same. Or are they two totally different things? I'm confused.

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VAMs can be pitted reverses, double dies, triple dies, die breaks, die gouges, etc. - some feature which makes the coin type UNIQUE; hence it's
assigned it's own vam number.

Die Break would be a vam. Got to be a break, not just cracks.

In Morgan dollars you will also see a lot of unique vams based on the date position. Dates digits were hand-punched into the date one by one, so if the mint worker
wasn't careful, you would enter up with crooked dates, dates shifted left, dates shifted right, high or low, etc.

Coins without any unique features are usually assigned as "VAM-1" for that year (called "normal dies", no doubling, no die break, date appears normal, etc.).

bbrebelz · April 11, 2006 7:35PM

OK. I think I understand now. I was looking at a Morgan that had a line running through the lettering on the reverse. I think I was looking at a die crack. The coin I was looking at was an 1899-O with a crack running through the lettering on the reverse from the 7 o'clock to the 11 o'clock. Anybody seen one like this before?

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