Double denomination on eBay...but it looks...wrong?
OffMetal
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Can someone please point out to me what makes this look different than other double denominations?
Is it fake?
Is it because it still has a rim?
Sorry, but I'm stumped about why it doesn't look right...
And the seller is in Belgium
Can someone please point out to me what makes this look different than other double denominations?
Is it fake?
Is it because it still has a rim?
Sorry, but I'm stumped about why it doesn't look right...
And the seller is in Belgium
-Ben T. * Collector of Errors! * Proud member of the CUFYNA
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Oh well, just idle observations.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
NO RESERVE PRICE BUT I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO END THIS AUCTION AT ANY TIME IF I FEEL IT IS NOT BRINGING THE WORTHY AMOUNT.
Yeah, that gives me warm fuzzies. Deal me in.
Looks like man-made cent dies (genuine cent pressed into metal to make a
crude "die") pressed over a normal dime.
It's a fake double denomination - no question about it.
Fred
<< <i>After holding a dime and a cent in an orientation equivalent to the first pic, and then inverting them, the orientation appears to be 180 degrees off form the pic of the "error" coin. Does anyone agree? >>
I agree. Based on the photo of the obverse of the dime, the date of the Lincoln should be under the AMERICA of the dime.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>This is NOT a Mint Error Double Denomination.
Looks like man-made cent dies (genuine cent pressed into metal to make a
crude "die") pressed over a normal dime.
It's a fake double denomination - no question about it.
Fred >>
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The key here is that for double denominations, the *last* strike is the one with the most detail, since it will smoosh all of the earlier strikes. So, for cent-on-dime double denominations, the cent design is supposed to be fairly strong, with the dime design heavily flattened. In this piece, the opposite is true -- the cent design is mostly missing, and the dime design is very strong, including the rims.
In a theoretical situation where a cent was struck on a dime planchet, and then that cent-on-dime planchet was later struck with dime dies, something like that would look more like what is shown in this auction.
jonathan
<< <i>In a theoretical situation where a cent was struck on a dime planchet, and then that cent-on-dime planchet was later struck with dime dies, something like that would look more like what is shown in this auction. >>
In that case though, the initial strike by the cent dies would cause the dime planchet to spread slightly and it would then no longer fit into the coining chamber when it got o the dime press. So the dime die strike would have to be an out of collar striking and there would be no reeded edge. This coin has a reeded edge so the dime strike came first.
<< <i>In that case though, the initial strike by the cent dies would cause the dime planchet to spread slightly and it would then no longer fit into the coining chamber when it got o the dime press. So the dime die strike would have to be an out of collar striking and there would be no reeded edge. This coin has a reeded edge so the dime strike came first. >>
Yes. I did say my case was theoretical.
N/G
TD
<< <i>Doesn't look wrong to me so far, but I haven't quite figured out the alignment from reverse to obverse yet.
It's an obvious FAKE because the top of the memorial strike can be seen to be warped and not straight on the picture above. A real double denomination would have been struck by hardened steel dies and would be perfectly straight like on a genuine Lincoln memorial reverse. The warping occurs because the false die's metal are too similar in hardness to the dime and warps itself when being pressed into it.
Fake dies made by pressing a real cent into a soft metal, that was in turn impressed into a real dime. It's just so obvious from the pic.
Rob
<< <i>This is NOT a Mint Error Double Denomination.
Looks like man-made cent dies (genuine cent pressed into metal to make a
crude "die") pressed over a normal dime.
It's a fake double denomination - no question about it.
Fred >>
If Fred says it's bad, you'd be foolish to buy it.
Ray