Did some more checking and all three of the cert. numbers are valid. So maybe these are some of the last of the rattlers to be slabed with the newer number systen i.e. the eitght numbers and bar code. The cert. numbers seem to be part of a group run of coins. And I agree there is no PCGS logo in the corner.
That label was never used with that slab style. Its been photo shopped or he opened an old slab and substitued a new label and coin. Scam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Check out this slab #4.1 from Cammies web site. PCGS4.1 It has the eigth digit number and a bar code. But other things like the coin number are still off.
The coins are legit. The pictures are of the coins when they were in the former rattler holder. The seller must have resubmitted them for upgrade and was successful on getting the coins upgraded.
The new tags looks like they were photoshopped over the old slabs. Look how close the tops of the tag/insert is to the top edge of the holder. That is too small of a gap and is an improper picture.
For what it's worth, I live in Gainesville and I think the mailing address they give almost surely is a UPS store, formally owned by friends of mine. As far as their "post office being closed from 3-11 to 3-20," the university here (the University of Florida) is on Spring Break from 3-11 to 3-19. So I suspect that this operation is student-run and they are on Spring Break. I wish they had a store front because it seems they have some interesting coins. There are two coin stores in town. One is run by someone I think honest, but as far as I know, the coins are raw, low-end coins. The other is run by a guy who shafted my wife on an $8 proof set, and so I've never been back.
The coins are legit. The pictures are of the coins when they were in the former rattler holder. The seller must have resubmitted them for upgrade and was successful on getting the coins upgraded.
The new tags looks like they were photoshopped over the old slabs. Look how close the tops of the tag/insert is to the top edge of the holder. That is too small of a gap and is an improper picture. >>
Absolutely no reason to do this.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
The coins are legit. The pictures are of the coins when they were in the former rattler holder. The seller must have resubmitted them for upgrade and was successful on getting the coins upgraded.
The new tags looks like they were photoshopped over the old slabs. Look how close the tops of the tag/insert is to the top edge of the holder. That is too small of a gap and is an improper picture. >>
Absolutely no reason to do this. >>
I agree, why not just take new pics of the coin in the new holder. I'd stay away from this joker.
<< <i>So maybe these are some of the last of the rattlers to be slabed with the newer number systen i.e. the eitght numbers and bar code. >>
The rattlers slabs were discontinued by Jan 1990. These slabs in question have the coin and series numbers on the label. The coin and series numbers did not appear on slabs before Jan 1999, nine years after the rattlers were discontinued. And when they were introduced, the barcode was on the BACK label. The coin and series numbers and the barcode did not both appear on the front label until some time in 2003. So these auctions show slabs with labels that weren't used until thirteen years after the slabs were discontinued. I think we can discard the "last of the rattlers" theory.
How hard was it to crack the old rattler slabs so they split neatly on the seams? Is it possible he opened a rattler slab and then substituted a new coin and label and then resealed it?
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Russ, NCNE
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Someone may have done it. It would have raised less suspicion if they used the right style label for the slab....
Also, the "crack" on the top of the slab is not a crack. It's a separation line that exists on all rattlers.
The image appears photoshopped. I just thought it ethically curious for a dealer to do this.
im guessing thats a coin world slab with a good cert and the wrong coin !
This one looks funcky too.
1937 Proof
Also this dime looks the same.
1940 Proof
I smell scam !
Wonder why their PO closes for 10 days?
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<< <i>So maybe these are some of the last of the rattlers to be slabed with the newer number systen i.e. the eitght numbers and bar code. >>
Rattlers never had bar codes. Also, I've never seen one with an 8 digit cert number.
Edited to add: The image in the auction is definitely a rattler slab, though.
Russ, NCNE
PCGS4.1
It has the eigth digit number and a bar code.
But other things like the coin number are still off.
<< <i>Check out this slab #4.1 from Cammies web site.
PCGS4.1 >>
Not a rattler.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Not a rattler. >>
I agree. Something looks wronge. New inserts old slabs.
Crack and uncrack?
My coins
cert is 02974728 with bar code,no series number or coin number,small round hologram on reverse and says
Nasdaq clct
cert 21663386 with bar code, series 20 pr,coin 11,lg rectangle hologram on reverse that says PNG
Holders appear identicle.
both display the PCGS logo on the lower right obverse
neither are rattlers
Russ, NCNE
The coins are legit. The pictures are of the coins when they were in the former rattler holder. The seller must have resubmitted them for upgrade and was successful on getting the coins upgraded.
The new tags looks like they were photoshopped over the old slabs. Look how close the tops of the tag/insert is to the top edge of the holder. That is too small of a gap and is an improper picture.
Mark
<< <i>My personal opinion:
The coins are legit. The pictures are of the coins when they were in the former rattler holder. The seller must have resubmitted them for upgrade and was successful on getting the coins upgraded.
The new tags looks like they were photoshopped over the old slabs. Look how close the tops of the tag/insert is to the top edge of the holder. That is too small of a gap and is an improper picture. >>
Absolutely no reason to do this.
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<< <i>My personal opinion:
The coins are legit. The pictures are of the coins when they were in the former rattler holder. The seller must have resubmitted them for upgrade and was successful on getting the coins upgraded.
The new tags looks like they were photoshopped over the old slabs. Look how close the tops of the tag/insert is to the top edge of the holder. That is too small of a gap and is an improper picture. >>
Absolutely no reason to do this. >>
I agree, why not just take new pics of the coin in the new holder. I'd stay away from this joker.
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<< <i>So maybe these are some of the last of the rattlers to be slabed with the newer number systen i.e. the eitght numbers and bar code. >>
The rattlers slabs were discontinued by Jan 1990. These slabs in question have the coin and series numbers on the label. The coin and series numbers did not appear on slabs before Jan 1999, nine years after the rattlers were discontinued. And when they were introduced, the barcode was on the BACK label. The coin and series numbers and the barcode did not both appear on the front label until some time in 2003. So these auctions show slabs with labels that weren't used until thirteen years after the slabs were discontinued. I think we can discard the "last of the rattlers" theory.
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David
<< <i>It's a friggin photoshop job. Look at the nickel in the holder...does anyone see rims?
Now look at the photo, as someone else suggested the label looks like it was pasted on the slab.