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2009 LINCOLN CENT LEGISLATION

SteveSteve Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭
On December 13th the US Congress passed legislation on new Presidential coins and other coins and bullion. One of the items was the coinage for the one hundred anniversary of the Lincoln Cent. Here is the legislation:

TITLE III--ABRAHAM LINCOLN BICENTENNIAL 1-CENT COIN REDESIGN


SEC. 301. FINDINGS.


Congress finds the following:


(1) Abraham Lincoln, the 16th President, was one of the Nation's
greatest leaders, demonstrating true courage during the Civil War, one of
the greatest crises in the Nation's history.


(2) Born of humble roots in Hardin County (present-day LaRue County),
Kentucky, on February 12, 1809, Abraham Lincoln rose to the Presidency
through a combination of honesty, integrity, intelligence, and commitment to
the United States.


(3) With the belief that all men are created equal, Abraham Lincoln led
the effort to free all slaves in the United States.


(4) Abraham Lincoln had a generous heart, with malice toward none, and
with charity for all.


(5) Abraham Lincoln gave the ultimate sacrifice for the country he
loved, dying from an assassin's bullet on April 15, 1865.


(6) All Americans could benefit from studying the life of Abraham
Lincoln, for Lincoln's life is a model for accomplishing the `American
dream' through honesty, integrity, loyalty, and a lifetime of education.


(7) The year 2009 will be the bicentennial anniversary of the birth of
Abraham Lincoln.


(8) Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky, grew to adulthood in Indiana,
achieved fame in Illinois, and led the nation in Washington, D.C.


(9) The so-called `Lincoln cent' was introduced in 1909 on the 100th
anniversary of Lincoln's birth, making the obverse design the most enduring
on the nation's coinage.


(10) President Theodore Roosevelt was so impressed by the talent of
Victor David Brenner that the sculptor was chosen to design the likeness of
President Lincoln for the coin, adapting a design from a plaque Brenner had
prepared earlier.


(11) In the nearly 100 years of production of the `Lincoln cent', there
have been only 2 designs on the reverse: the original, featuring 2
wheat-heads in memorial style enclosing mottoes, and the current
representation of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.


(12) On the occasion of the bicentennial of President Lincoln's birth
and the 100th anniversary of the production of the Lincoln cent, it is
entirely fitting to issue a series of 1-cent coins with designs on the
reverse that are emblematic of the 4 major periods of President Lincoln's
life.


SEC. 302. REDESIGN OF LINCOLN CENT FOR 2009.


(a) In General- During the year 2009, the Secretary of the Treasury shall
issue 1-cent coins in accordance with the following design specifications:


(1) OBVERSE- The obverse of the 1-cent coin shall continue to bear the
Victor David Brenner likeness of President Abraham Lincoln.


(2) REVERSE- The reverse of the coins shall bear 4 different designs
each representing a different aspect of the life of Abraham Lincoln, such
as--


(A) his birth and early childhood in Kentucky;


(B) his formative years in Indiana;


(C) his professional life in Illinois; and


(D) his presidency, in Washington, D.C.


(b) Issuance of Redesigned Lincoln Cents in 2009-


(1) ORDER- The 1-cent coins to which this section applies shall be
issued with 1 of the 4 designs referred to in subsection (a)(2) beginning at
the start of each calendar quarter of 2009.


(2) NUMBER- The Secretary shall prescribe, on the basis of such factors
as the Secretary determines to be appropriate, the number of 1-cent coins
that shall be issued with each of the designs selected for each calendar
quarter of 2009.


(c) Design Selection- The designs for the coins specified in this section
shall be chosen by the Secretary--


(1) after consultation with the Abraham Lincoln Bicentennial Commission
and the Commission of Fine Arts; and


(2) after review by the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee.


SEC. 303. REDESIGN OF REVERSE OF 1-CENT COINS AFTER 2009.


The design on the reverse of the 1-cent coins issued after December 31,
2009, shall bear an image emblematic of President Lincoln's preservation of
the United States of America as a single and united country.


SEC. 304. NUMISMATIC PENNIES WITH THE SAME METALLIC CONTENT AS THE 1909
PENNY.


The Secretary of the Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in 2009 with the
exact metallic content as the 1-cent coin contained in 1909 in such number
as the Secretary determines to be appropriate for numismatic purposes


SEC. 305. SENSE OF THE CONGRESS.


It is the sense of the Congress that the original Victor David Brenner
design for the 1-cent coin was a dramatic departure from previous American
coinage that should be reproduced, using the original form and relief of the
likeness of Abraham Lincoln, on the 1-cent coins issued in 2009.
Passed the Senate November 18, 2005.

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As a Lincoln cent collector, I look forward to getting ALL these coins in 2009. It is a great set to have and I encourage everyone to keep filling those slots in the Set Registries or in your holders. Steveimage

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    Most interesting part of that was buried in the verbage...

    Looks like a redesign after 2009 is over....


    SEC. 303. REDESIGN OF REVERSE OF 1-CENT COINS AFTER 2009.


    The design on the reverse of the 1-cent coins issued after December 31,
    2009, shall bear an image emblematic of President Lincoln's preservation of
    the United States of America as a single and united country.
    Rufus T. Firefly: How would you like a job in the mint?

    Chicolini: Mint? No, no, I no like a mint. Uh - what other flavor you got?



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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "SEC. 303. REDESIGN OF REVERSE OF 1-CENT COINS AFTER 2009.


    The design on the reverse of the 1-cent coins issued after December 31,
    2009, shall bear an image emblematic of President Lincoln's preservation of
    the United States of America as a single and united country. "

    Is this another perpetual design similar to the Virginia Nickel?
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,484 ✭✭✭✭
    As far as verbage goes, I find it interesting that the term "numismatic purposes" was actually used in the bill.

    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So if I read it right, we have the State Quarters Program extended through 2009, except using smaller, 95% copper and 5% zinc and tin planchets?
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    SteveSteve Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭
    Sounds to me like the Memorial reverse will end after 2008 and a NEW design for the reverse will start in 2010. That design will continue until new legislation is enacted in the future. It also sounds to me like it is the intent of Congress NOT to change the obverse design of Victor Brenner, but to CONTINUE that design into the future until new legislation is enacted. Steveimage
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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The whole multiple reverse within a year thing bugs me. Didn't like the idea with the nickels and don't like it with the cents. If you want to change it, just change it and leave it be.


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    bonkroodbonkrood Posts: 796 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So if I read it right, we have the State Quarters Program extended through 2009, except using smaller, 95% copper and 5% zinc and tin planchets? >>



    HUH?
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    bonkroodbonkrood Posts: 796 ✭✭✭
    And then you have this also "Thread Title: Washington: Dollar coins to honor all 37 dead presidents"
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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i><< So if I read it right, we have the State Quarters Program extended through 2009, except using smaller, 95% copper and 5% zinc and tin planchets? >> >>





    << <i>HUH? >>



    Read the legislation, focus on the mention of four different US States, and give it some thought. Just another lame attempt to tell a story by glorifying states (and appeasing members of Congress) rather than the accomplishments of President Lincoln.
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    What about the exact metalic contenet as 1909?

    "The Secretary of the Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in 2009 with the
    exact metallic content as the 1-cent coin contained in 1909 in such number
    as the Secretary determines to be appropriate for numismatic purposes "
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    flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What about the exact metalic contenet as 1909?

    "The Secretary of the Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in 2009 with the
    exact metallic content as the 1-cent coin contained in 1909 in such number
    as the Secretary determines to be appropriate for numismatic purposes " >>

    Looks like there will be both zinc and copper pennies in 2009. With four separate designs each, that's at least eight coins for the type collector to amass.

    I wouldn't mind it at all, if the bill was coupled with cent elimination legislation. A last hurrah for the penny in 2009, and then no more.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,515 ✭✭✭
    I was hoping I'd open this thread to find the words "The Lincoln Cent will go bye bye beginning in 2010."

    Russ, NCNE
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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,586 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    SEC. 304. NUMISMATIC PENNIES WITH THE SAME METALLIC CONTENT AS THE 1909
    PENNY.
    >>




    Sheeze, even Congress can't keep 'penny' and 'cent' straight.


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

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    << <i>What about the exact metalic contenet as 1909?

    "The Secretary of the Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in 2009 with the
    exact metallic content as the 1-cent coin contained in 1909 in such number
    as the Secretary determines to be appropriate for numismatic purposes " >>

    Looks like there will be both zinc and copper pennies in 2009. With four separate designs each, that's at least eight coins for the type collector to amass.

    I wouldn't mind it at all, if the bill was coupled with cent elimination legislation. A last hurrah for the penny in 2009, and then no more. >>



    What will the '09 proof set look like!?!

    5 dollars, 4 cents, maybe 4 TY II cents ... "proof set, volume 1, 2 & 3" for $800 USD... image Might be another '95 situation where most people can't buy the set, because it is so expensive (bullion), so the coins in the set go for moon money.

    Just a thought.

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    flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sheeze, even Congress can't keep 'penny' and 'cent' straight. >>

    They're just using the same terminology that the Mint does. From their 2004 Annual Report glossary of terms:

    CIRCULATING COINS
    The penny, nickel, dime, quarter-dollar, half-dollar and one-dollar coins used in daily commerce. The Federal Reserve System distributes circulating coins into the economy.


    I think it's only numismatists who get hung up on the difference. I've gone over to the other side, and happily call them "pennies" now.
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    CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,609 ✭✭


    << <i>The design on the reverse of the 1-cent coins issued after December 31,
    2009, shall bear an image emblematic of President Lincoln's preservation of
    the United States of America as a single and united country.
    >>



    What do they want, a depiction of a Union soldier bayonetting a Confederate soldier?


    CG
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    itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭
    We have a lot of potential versions of the Cent in 2009!

    4 P-Mint Circulation Strikes (Copper Plated Zinc) for commerce
    4 D-Mint Circulation Strikes (Copper Plated Zinc) for commerce
    4 P-Mint Satin Finish Strikes (Copper Plated Zinc or 95% Copper) for mint sets
    4 P-Mint Satin Finish Strikes (Copper Plated Zinc or 95% Copper) for mint sets
    4 S-Mint Proofs (95% Copper)

    20 Versions!

    Assumes all will be full relief....
    Assumes Mint Sets will have only zinc or copper
    Assumes proofs will be 95% copper only
    If any of these are wrong the number goes up

    Assumes Satin Finish will continue on mint sets
    If this is wrong the number will go down by 8





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    itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭
    Also, the bill only specifies the reverse of the cent after 2009. Nothing written about the obverse!
    Give Blood (Red Bags) & Platelets (Yellow Bags)!
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    robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Boy, Congress sure does not fail to screw up everything, and I mean everything, it does.
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    flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Boy, Congress sure does not fail to screw up everything, and I mean everything, it does. >>

    Welcome to the Libertarian Party.
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    coinnut86coinnut86 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The whole multiple reverse within a year thing bugs me. Didn't like the idea with the nickels and don't like it with the cents. If you want to change it, just change it and leave it be. >>



    Once again Cladiator, I agree with you. I'm not sure if I understand all of this... There will be four different reverses made out of two different metals, totaling 16, plus proofs correct? and all designs will be in High relief? Then after 2009 the obverse will remain the same, and the reverse will ...?

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    WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really wanted the cent to go out as it came in with a 2009 S VDB..I will take 100 in proof please!

    But at least the ORIGINIAL obv. strike will be there..again, should make a heck of a proof especially brilliant.. Something we have not seen before!

    WS
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    carlcarl Posts: 2,054
    Here we go again with to many of each thing. I don't like the new nickels because there are already to many of them and now the pennies. It was a mess in 1982 with so many versions and now there will be possibly lots more versions of the 2009 Lincoln Cent. I bet they will leave Lincoln on the Obverse but will do something stupid like the profile of Jefferson on the nickel. As already noted there could be as many as 20 varieties of just that year and maybe even more. From what it sounded like though, all 2009's will be the same material as the 1909 or did I get that wrong. I still have to use a balance beam scale to figure out which 1982 is which. Next the government will have Smokey the Bear on the dime with a different tree on about 30 different reverses.
    Carl
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    nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,387 ✭✭✭
    First VA steals the nickel and now IL the cent...
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    robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Boy, Congress sure does not fail to screw up everything, and I mean everything, it does. >>

    Welcome to the Libertarian Party. >>



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    << <i>What will the '09 proof set look like!?!

    5 dollars, 4 cents, maybe 4 TY II cents ... "proof set, volume 1, 2 & 3" for $800 USD... >>


    Don't forget, if they can finally get the extention of the State quarters for the territories you'll also have 6 territory quarters too. You think the proof set is bad, think about the mint set, expecially if it has both metals in it.

    16 cents, 2 nickels, 2 dimes, 12 quarters, 2 halves and 10 dollars = 44 coins. So what a $60 - $70 mint set direct from the mint?
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    coinnut86coinnut86 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭
    << Don't forget, if they can finally get the extention of the State quarters for the territories you'll also have 6 territory quarters too. >>

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    coinnut86coinnut86 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What about the exact metalic contenet as 1909?

    "The Secretary of the Treasury shall issue 1-cent coins in 2009 with the
    exact metallic content as the 1-cent coin contained in 1909 in such number
    as the Secretary determines to be appropriate for numismatic purposes " >>

    Looks like there will be both zinc and copper pennies in 2009. With four separate designs each, that's at least eight coins for the type collector to amass.

    I wouldn't mind it at all, if the bill was coupled with cent elimination legislation. A last hurrah for the penny in 2009, and then no more. >>





    Ok so I reread this thread... I didnt see anything about minting these using zinc planchets like some people suggested...
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭
    The thing about this bill I find most interesting is the stipulation that the obverse be done in the original form and relief as the 1909 version. If I am reading this correctly, this is to be executed on all of the 2009 pennies, not just those minted for 'numismatic purposes.' I am apt to speculate that the additional striking pressure required for the higher relief ones and resulting shortened die life will certainly put the cost each cent at significantly more than a cent, suggesting that perhaps the cents days are indeed numbered. I am also encouraged by congresses' recognition of the importance of relief, and I think this may bode well for future issues.
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    I hope he's not flying a kite on any of these designs.......................image
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