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Error dime with odd doubling -- status?

The owner insisted it was a double strike, although I am convinced that is not the case. He was intending to submit to ANACS, I believe, and I was just curious what the outcome was. Since I am interested in peculiar forms of doubling, I'd be glad to trade a bona fide double-struck dime (and a very nice one at that) for this specimen.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Machine doubling. No extra value.

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Although not nearly as strong as your example, I was under the assumption that these forms of doubling were caused by the effect of high production combined with this particular alloy (modern Lincoln's), but your example is obviously not a Lincoln. Please inform us after you reach your conclusions.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,625 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I concur with PerryHall on that ! Machine doubling. The first time I found it was on a 1970 D Kennedy half in the mint set and thought I struck gold (i mean silver) image.... As intriquing as it looks, it just doesn't increase the value for collectors. I have heard it is a common thing on Kennedy halves, too. image...ooh, I think I might have figured out how to put a picture in here

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  • errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭
    I agree that the major doubling on LIBERTY and Roosie's forehead is likely to be a kind of machine doubling. But the appearance is atypical. The coin also features a strike-through to the right of the bust, apparently from some reeding that was shaved off an earlier coin. There is also an extra date and mintmark. These are simply shadows, and are likely to represent "surface film transfer". Surface film transfer occurs when the preceding strike is a double-strike and either the die or the coin is covered with a thin film of oil. The phenomenon has been duplicated in private mints. I've only seen one other case of surface film transfer in a U.S. coin.

    By the way, extreme cases of machine doubling do have some value. Sac dollars with extreme machine doubling readily bring prices of $75 and above on eBay. There you've got entire duplication of eyes, nose, lips, etc. along with the familiar flat shelving at the margins.
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  • That's interesting doubling image
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey Mike, here is a really nice example of surface film transfer. It is as if someone painted this clashing. There is no incuse imprint on this coin. None.
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Couple of the letters on that dime look like some of the letters on this lincoln which is a double strike. (esp rica of America)

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  • errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey Mike, here is a really nice example of surface film transfer. It is as if someone painted this clashing. There is no incuse imprint on this coin. None. >>



    Indeed, it does occur on clashed dies, and accentuates the design transfer. But it's even more interesting when the shadows are not associated with a clash and are in wildly offset locations.
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  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    The original post shows a dime that is double struck in collar - it's not typical machine doubling, and it's not worthless...but it's nothing really unusual.

    Jrocco's first coin is die wear. That's just what happens on the cent dies when they are overused these days. Looks different from the die wear that struck the bronze and brass cents of years past, but it's still die wear no matter how you look at it. This is commona nd has no value.

    Jrocco's second coin is a die clash, and a pretty nice one at that. These are rather uncommon, but as I understand it the major error collectors don't care about them either. I would think they would have at least some premium collectible value as such, but not much.

    Mgoodm3's coin is also double struck in collar - may or may not bring much of a premium, the strike doubling isn't severe enough to warrant much if any attention from the major error collectors. It is not common, but there are a number of examples out there.

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  • errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The original post shows a dime that is double struck in collar - it's not typical machine doubling, and it's not worthless...but it's nothing really unusual. >>



    I will agree that it is not "typical" machine doubling, but beyond that we must part company. It shows none of the usual signs of being an in-collar double strike. It does not show the sharp but incomplete penetration of the first strike through the design of the second strike. Instead, the metal appears to have been pushed around and distorted. I see no evidence of the original strike being flattened by a second strike.

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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    mine is much more interesting on the obv, but I like the lettering on the rev.

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