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Can you name a coin for which there are no certified uncirculated examples?

The 1854-O $20 Liberty is one (according to coinfacts.com). The highest-grade certified examples are AU.

Can you name some others?

Dan

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  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1964-D Peace dollar.image
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As I learned today, courtesy or MrHalfDime, the 1802 half dime. Seems there are 24 known examples, none of which are uncirculated.
  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    D'oh!! Barndog beat me to it. 1802 half dime.
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  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    1857 flying eagle cent with the 20.00 double eagle clash on the obverse.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>D'oh!! Barndog beat me to it. 1802 half dime >>




    As I learned in school and apply in life: Always attribute a source when you don't know something yourself.

    Thanks again for the education, MrHalfDime.
  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    1920-S SLQ with Tear Drop CUDs
    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    the 1854-S half eagle of course.

  • 1854-s 2.5
    Nick
  • TahoeDaleTahoeDale Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭
    There are many.

    In the capped bust half series, the 1812/1 lg 8 and the 1817/4.

    Early bust- 1806 knob 6, no stem, and both varieties of the 1795 half w/ siver plug
    TahoeDale
  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,764 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK, if there are so many, then which is the coin with the highest original mintage that has no certified uncirculated examples?

    (We are talking about all services here, yes?)

    jonathan
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    1795 half small head variety
  • flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭
    1933 $20?
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lest we forget, the LMV-Cladiator Holey Draped Half...
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've always loved tracking UNC seated quarters since the mid-1970's

    The 1859-s, 61-s are still unslabbed in UNC last I checked. The 58-s and 60-s have one low end UNC I think...which imo are not technical uncs. The other dates are all accounted for. This assumes both services. All of the above dates are not yet slabbed unc by PCGS.

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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,258 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Lest we forget, the LMV-Cladiator Holey Draped Half... >>



    AAaahhhh...
    I thank my lucky stars that I can be associated with that gem! Truely the most important moment in my numismatic voyage to date (kinda sad when considering the uninformed and miniscule role I played hehe). image
  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't believe any uncirculated 1804 dimes exist. NGC has graded one MS 60 1802 half dollar, most would call it Choice AU, PCGS has apparently graded one MS 1802 half dollar, I would like to know which example this is (Queller?). The 1806 knobbed six, large stars only goes to AU55 for a fairly common R.2 Redbook variety. Many, many die varieties are not found in MS.
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  • ccexccex Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    A couple of you beat me to mentioning the 1802 half dime, which answers the original poster's question the way he wanted it answered.

    But then I thought of:

    1894-S dime

    Or, how about (for large mintages) the 1999-S half dollar? (and dozens of other modern proof-only issues)

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  • amercoinamercoin Posts: 350 ✭✭
    1860-O $20 Gold.
  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1928-S "Large S" Lincoln Cent.

    They are supposedly rare in UNC, and even when encapsulated, they are not properly attributed.

    Now, I'm just sitting here typing, and threw this one out.

    Don't bury me...........

    Pete

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1799 cent
    any proof only issue

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  • 1974 aluminium cent
    The highest graded is AU58
    (which is also the lowest graded image )

    Ralph
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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At one point, I would say the 1896-O, 1900-O, and 1902-O Micro O Morgan Dollar varieties. However, they are all fake, so I don't know if that still counts or not. image
  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    "any proof only issue"

    Good catch. A technicality, but true enough.
    They that can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither Liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    Oh, there are so many! There is one underappreciated issue that is extremely tough to find in any grade and AFAIK is unknown in Uncirculated condition: the 1861-S Seated Quarter. There are maybe a few dozen circulated survivors and that's it.
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  • Assuming we're talking about PCGS, then just in the Carson City Gold coins (nothing silver) then the following dates have no slabbed uncirculated examples:
    $5's - 72 and 78
    $10's - 70,72,73,76,77,78,79 and 82
    $20's - 70 and 71
    Several other dates have 1 only circulated example.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1895-P Morgan dollar
    When in doubt, don't.
  • VamGuyVamGuy Posts: 1,624


    << <i>1974 aluminium cent
    The highest graded is AU58
    (which is also the lowest graded >>

    Actually, this coin lost all of its wear when it was regraded MS62 by PCGS. image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the 1854-S half eagle of course.

    Only because it hasn't been submitted. The Eliasberg coin is a choice unc by today's standards.
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  • calgolddivercalgolddiver Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭✭✭
    calgold

    BG 204B - period 1 quarter dollar - unique - Au58
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    BG 601 - period 1 round dollar - unique - AU50

    BG 605 - period 1 round dollar - 6 graded by pcgs - 2(50) , 2(53) , 1(55), 1(58)

    several more in this series exist in period 2

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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Over a dozen S-Mint gold issues struck between 1854 and 1877:

    $5s - 1858-S, 1861-S, 1866-S No Motto, 1866-S w/Motto, 1867-S, 1870-S, 1874-S

    $10s - 1855-S, 1858-S, 1859-S, 1860-S, 1862-S, 1864-S, 1865-S Regular Date (the example on NGCs Pop Report is an overdate), 1866-S w/Motto, 1867-S, 1868-S, 1871-S, 1874-S, 1876-S...

    Of course, there are a ton of dates that have one or two MS61 or MS62 examples floating around - coins that might not grade BU if they were cracked out.

    I didn't look outside these two denominations, although I suspect the only $3 is the 1870-S...

    Anyone have a good guess as to why S-Mint $5s and $10s are so rare in Unc?

    edited to add: After reading all the previous responses to this post, I have to point out that the San Francisco Mint produced the vast majority of coins mentioned by people. Is it a coincidence?!?

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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<Anyone have a good guess as to why S-Mint $5s and $10s are so rare in Unc? >>

    how about because paper money wasn't used in CAL much before 1880? These coins were' working' coins for the western US. Trade with China was with Trade Dollars so the S mint 5g & 10g stayed at home and were the workhorses of California.
    Have a nice day
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good answer.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • ccex: 1894-s is catagorized as a PROOF, but even if it was NOT, PCGS has a "65".

    1817/4 and 1853-O No Arrows Half Dollar
    1793 Strawberry leaf cent.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ..... There is one underappreciated issue that is extremely tough to find in any grade and AFAIK is unknown in Uncirculated condition: the 1861-S Seated Quarter. There are maybe a few dozen circulated survivors and that's it.

    I disagree. The 1861-s is "fairly available" in lower circ grades. In fact is is not even in the top 6 of "S" mint quarters. There are probably 200-400 known of this date. I've always felt it was overrated in grades below AU. But today, XF's seem to be tougher than I thought. The 66-s and 67-s are far tougher overall in rarity and their existing pops are around 125-250 known imo.

    roadrunner
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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    You may be generally correct but there are 66-S and 67-S uncirculated survivors. I don't think there are any San Fran uncirculated quarters from 1858 until 1861. My impression that there are dozens only of 1861-S will yield to your experience if you have seen frequencies that suggest hundreds. When I collected seated minors, I was into die varieties and recalled how difficult it was to find any 61-S. Ended up with only one, in VG. Perhaps a lot more have come out. I see there have been a handful in Heritage's auction archives. I consigned that coin but wonder if the 61-S and 62-S dimes I still have are very elusive. They are VF and got them certified at NGC (VF20 and VF25).
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I did comprehensive studies of thousands of appearances of seated quarters in the 70's to 80's to help rank out the series.

    True enough, there are uncs of the 66s and 67s. Probably a dozen or so on the 66-s but only 3 "real uncs" to my knowledge on the
    67-s (2 MS64's and 1 - MS67...Norweb, Stack, and Eliasberg). And 3 isn't a whole lot either. There is also only one true gem 66-s to my knowlege...far above the quality of the remaining uncs. I owned both of those coins at the same time in 1988. I sort of liken the gems of each of the 66-s & 67-s as the equivalent of an UNC 61-s should it ever appear (and it likely will someday). The 67-s also shows up very infrequently above VF25 which in my mind makes it doubly attractive. The 67-s was unheralded in UNC even up until the Eliasberg MS64 piece sold for a paltry $4000. Later brought closer to $20K at the Richmond sale which said it came a long way in only 7 years.

    While no true uncs of the 58-s, 59-s, 60-s, and 61-s appear to exist at this time, only the 60-s is a rarer date. I've always felt the other 3 quite overrated and for years they brought prices similar or higher than the far rarer 60-s. The 69-s quarter for example is similar in rarity to those other 3, and you won't find anyone claiming the 69-s is a rarity in circ. However in truly orginal gem grade it becomes a winner as even with a "pop of 2" or so, I am not aware of a gem
    69-s quarter. Curiously, for all but the 1865-s, each date in the 1864-s to 1869-s run of S quarters, there is at most one honest "all there" gem of each date to my knowledge. I think there are 2
    1865-s's. One of my wishes years back was to build a gem/choice unc set of S mint quarters from 1864 to 1872. 25 years ago I never realized...or believed that all of them did indeed exist in gem.

    roadrunner
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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love San Francisco Mint products...

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  • TitusFlaviusTitusFlavius Posts: 321 ✭✭✭
    An extreme example would be the "strawberry leaf" wreath cents. Not even a VF!
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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    i also like san fran gold.

    mreureka,

    the 1854-S half eagle of course. Only because it hasn't been submitted. The Eliasberg coin is a choice unc by today's standards.

    I am sort of happy by this news. It will allow me to see a nice example one day if I am lucky. Talk about a key date for me ;-)

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