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Why are there advertisements in the Whitman books?

LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
I don't know when this started, but I noticed that the more recent coin publications by Whitman contain third party coin firm advertisements. Back in the old days, the Redbook didn't have advertisements (or at least I don't remember them). Although there are not a lot of them, the advertisements are sprinkled throughout the Redbook. For the Redbook, it might make sense, however. Maybe some Newbie is buying the book for the first time, and he is interested enough to contact a dealer. Perhaps he will contact one of the advertising dealers. I think it is a little bit more of a stretch for the other Whitman books. One can argue that the Morgan dollar book, the Saints book, and others are in a similar class as the Redbook, and it makes sense to sell dealer advertisements in those books too, because a reader might be looking for a dealer to contact. But overall it just doesn't seem right to me, in my opinion.

Also, does anyone know to what extent the advertisements subsidize the book itself? I assume it is pretty expensive to produce and market a book, but I am not sure how much the advertisements cover the costs.

Also, does anyone know whether the advertising department at Whitman focuses its efforts to certain dealers depending on the subject matter of the book? For example, it someone writes a Whitman book on Early Gold, will the Whitman ad exectutive hound mrearlygold to be the presenting sponsor of the book, or otherwise entice him to pay more for the primo advertising space in the book?
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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know Whitman's model, but I'm in a similar line of work. Advertising can be a huge cash cow. Full color targeted placement in such a widely read and respected book probably sells for tens of thousands of dollars--maybe more.

    The flip side is that they run the risk of losing their neutrality and perceived bias-free status. Loss of credibilty could equal loss of sales.

    It's a tricky game. I don't mind it if it is in the first few or last few pages, like the Stack's ad in the final page of the 2005 spiral bound. But if they are putting ads in with the specific coin signatures, that will make me mad.
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    $$$$$$
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  • JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Krause started it by accepting ads in their references.

    Whitman just picked it up because it is additional revenue.

    I do not know whether they would have done it first, however.
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  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    Whitman publishing, the original company that published the Red Book at the begining is NOT the same company it was then. It used to be located in Wisconsin, I believe. Through a series of purchases and buyouts the new company is now called Whitman Publishing LLC located in Atlanta, Georgia. As recently as the late nineties and 2000 the company was part of Golden Books and then the St. Martins Press. The resurection of the new Whitman is very good for the hobby as all these new books coming out show. Someone must be financing this venture because I can't believe it is self supporting.
    There is a lot of money going into the venture which includes the new semi annual shows in Atlanta as well as the books, etc.

    I think the ads in the books are probably a small piece of the revenue needed to fund this venture. JMHO. Steveimage
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,710 ✭✭✭✭✭


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  • Also, does anyone know whether the advertising department at Whitman focuses its efforts to certain dealers depending on the subject matter of the book?

    Well there's an advertisement for waffle coins right next to the article describing waffle coins in the current issue of the Redbook.

    The ads in the Redbook annoy me, but I can live with it.
    Bill
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  • ormandhormandh Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭
    You have to consider how many people have coins in their family and have not a clue how to sell them. They go to the local bookstore, open up the book to see how much their grandfather's coins are worth and see the ads of companies that buy collections. Very lucrative for the the advertisers. -Dan

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