Can't find a VAM # for this 23 DDO PEACE $ Maybe a Discovery!!...Super Large Pics
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Maybe a new discovery? Sooner or later I'm going to find a discovery coin...I know it. There is a 23 DDO listed as a VAM 8, but it has doubing on RTY and slight doubling on the back of hair below bun. This coin has no doubling on RTY, has strong doubling on back of hair, initials doubled,right side of date has doubling and WE shows some doubling. Any help would be appreciated.
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If a class 4 doubled die, the doubling will all be in the same direction - east, west, northeast, etc.
If a class 2 or class 6 doubled die, the doubling will all be toward the center or toward the edge of the design...thus doubling at the top will point upward, doubling at the bottom will point downward.
If a class 1 or class 5 doubled die, the doubling will run clockwise or counterclockwise.
Class 3 and class 7 doubled dies are anyone's guess as to what they will look like since they are all unique in appearance. These involve modified hubs or design changes.
What matters here is that the doubling is NOT shelf-like and flat because it shows two distinct separated ridge lines along all the sharp relief.
My best guess not having the coin in hand is that this is a class 2 doubled die. Although I doubt it, it could be a class 4. Rule out 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9.
If CONECA has this one listed it would likely be a 1-O-II, 2-O-II - some number followed by a -O-II.
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I don't know if it's MD or DD.
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Doubled dies are all created by a simple sounding but rather complex problem...the die and hub aren't aligned properly with one another in one or more pressings at the hubbing press. The design pressed into the die either isn't aligned in the same way as with other pressings, is the wrong design, or one or the other is loose causing doubling. They all show similar but different characteristics, thus are grouped into nine different categories, or "classes" of doubling.
Class 1, class 5, and class 8 happen when the die is readmitted to the hubbing press rotated from a previous or subsequent hubbing. Class 1 has the axis of rotation somewhere near the middle of the design, as with the big 1955 doubled die cent. Class 5 has the axis of rotation near the rim as with the big 1995 doubled die cent. Class 8 is like class 1 or class 5, but since the face of the die is not flush with the face of the hub, only a portion of the design shows doubling, usually along the outer edge somewhere.
Class 2 and class 6 are similar in that all of the doubling points toward the inside or outside of the design. These are caused by warped and distorted hubs or dies. Class 2 is distortion, while class 6 is called "distention" - caused by improperly heating a die between hubbings. Lettering is mashed outward, fatter than it should be, and usually doesn't show separation lines or notching.
Class 4 is unique in that the rotation of the die may be right-on, but the die is shifted in one cardinal direction when it is re-hung on the press. The big 1984 doubled ear Lincoln is caused by this method, as is the 1983 DDR Lincoln.
Class 3 and 7 involve design changes - whether it be that two different hub designs were placed into the same die (as with all LD/SD or SD/LD doubled dies from 1960/1970) or that a hub was changed or modified and the modification shows - as with the 1963D cent with a normal 3 over a very low 3.
Class 9 is a new addition - typically a single squeeze thing (1997-present) these are generally caused when a die starts out in the press slightly out of alignment, then snaps into place while the hub is pressing down on it. A large number of such doubled dies have surfaced in just the past couple of years. These involve mainly minor design doubling near the center of Lincoln cents.
That's it in a quick nutshell.
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8 II 3 · B2a (Doubled RTY and Back of Hair) I-3 R-5
Obverse II 3– Doubled RTY in LIBERTY and RV in TRVST on right side. Back of hair below bun slightly doubled.
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<< <i>Copper... thanks for the help... I'm going to have to read it over about 10 times until I "get it"...
And sometimes it takes purchasing a few examples to really "get it" - that's what it was like for me. As soon as I could see the coins in person, it snapped right into place.
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