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SCAM?????????

bollebolle Posts: 40
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With the folks on here watching e-bay. Perhaps you can take a-look at this guy. He puchased a PCI-Red Label Link,The he bought some coin holders,Text. Now he has listed the what appears to be the same coin from PCI and repleced it into the coin holders,new listing

Just a concerned LURKER!!!

Also, I enjoy reading all of your post. It really helps............

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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    and who are you?
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • bollebolle Posts: 40
    I collect coins and by no means an expert. I read everyones post in here to get a direction and LEARN!!! I metal detect in N/California the old gohst towns and stuff.

    bolle
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    metal detec in ghost towns..?

    way crazy daddy-o!!!

    ever find any gold coins?
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    Great detective work!imageimage
    image...There's always time for coin collecting. image
  • bollebolle Posts: 40
    No GOLD yet!!image The best find so far has been an 1859-S Seated Half. Still looking for that GOLD though!!!!!
  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    Wow finding a lost seated coin. That would be so cool.

    Yes it appears you have done some good work detecting a fraud.
    If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
  • ILikeDimesILikeDimes Posts: 367
    craftbarn.......crafting vg-8's into f-12's since 6-29-01................image

    seems I was always bidding against them when I was searching for my 16-D.
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I'm always amazed at how people can sleep at night when so much of their life energy is focused on deceiving people for money...... image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>THE COIN WAS GRADED AND SLABBED BY THE LONG TIME DEALER IN LOCAL COIN STORE (40+ YEARS). HE IS RETIRING AND SELLING OFF ALL HIS COINS. >>



    That story seems strangely familar.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,783 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Def, looks like the same coin.

    Had to add a little untruth to the listing and pad the grade to make the 250.00(if it sells that is)
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Are you sure it's the same coin?

    Maybe it's this one. image

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Retired dealer, my ass. You bought the coin here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41091&item=8351072738, and then bought the holder here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=531&item=8338275277 You are a scumbag. >>



    Sometimes I just can't help myself.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi! I'm reporting you to Ebay Fraud Department. If what you are doing isn't outright illegal, it is certainly immoral as well as blatant misrepresentation...
    Ref: auction #8351072738 where you are the buyer of the same coin. UNBELIEVEABLE


    Sometimes, neither can I.

    Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1

  • GarneteyeGarneteye Posts: 1,168


    << <i>Sometimes I just can't help myself. >>




    image
    The glass is half full!
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a hoot.

    Bolle, you should stick your head in on the Metal Detecting Forum some time and say "hi". I'm not there as often these days, but some of the folks there find some cool stuff, and would be interested in seeing your ghost towning finds. I hunt old plantation sites here in SE Coastal GA and sometimes find colonial-era stuff.

    Explore collections of lordmarcovan on CollecOnline, management, safe-keeping, sharing and valuation solution for art piece and collectibles.
  • bollebolle Posts: 40
    Lord M,

    I have been reading the MD boards a lot lately. Would like to post some pics but they seem to come out kinda big. Still working on it though. Thanks.

    bolle
  • UncleWigglyUncleWiggly Posts: 2,467
    Looks like he added something to the description....grade is my opinion...



    Jerry
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hi! I'm reporting you to Ebay Fraud Department. If what you are doing isn't outright illegal, it is certainly immoral as well as blatant misrepresentation...
    Ref: auction #8351072738 where you are the buyer of the same coin. UNBELIEVEABLE


    Sometimes, neither can I. >>






    image

    Coin's for sale/trade.


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    US Rare Coin Investments
    800-624-1870

  • NapNap Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Meh, it's not that bad. He's full of crap with his description but I wouldn't believe "old-time collection" or "retired dealer" or "newly discovered hoard" or "unsearched" in any auction, and I am pretty sure most of you wouldn't either. Those terms are used so often to increase the value of a coin as to have almost no meaning as far as increasing saleability.

    It's a bit blatant of a lie, but not really a scam.
    My medieval coin collection
  • majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭
    He changed the description--ataboy Russ!
  • cho10cho10 Posts: 391


    << <i>Meh, it's not that bad. He's full of crap with his description but I wouldn't believe "old-time collection" or "retired dealer" or "newly discovered hoard" or "unsearched" in any auction, and I am pretty sure most of you wouldn't either. Those terms are used so often to increase the value of a coin as to have almost no meaning as far as increasing saleability. It's a bit blatant of a lie, but not really a scam. >>


    I don't know what the description was before but "NOW" the seller shows a coin he admittedly graded himself. He is asking $250 more than what he paid for the coin and has indicated a grade that is higher than the original PCI grade.
    I don't see anything wrong with the way things are NOW.
    I would never buy a high level coin such as a 1916-D Mercury Dime for $1,000 which was not in a primary (PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG) holder. Besides the issue of possible counterfeiting, I don't think that selling such a coin would be easy unless I would accept to lose a lot.
    The catch words are "Buyer Beware" and "Buyer Be Smart"
    It's a good thing that we have this forum to bring these things to the attention of those that will listen.
    Unfortunately there are a lot of people around that would be tempted to buy anything if they get the idea that it is a "steal".
    cho10

    Collecting since the 1980's
    Morgan Dollars Circ. Strikes
    - Basic Set - Varieties - Prooflike Basic Set - Date Set
    - Carson City - Early S Mint Short Set - Mintmark Type Set
    Morgan Dollars Proof
    - Basic Set - Varieties
    Peace Circ.
  • GTSGTS Posts: 300
    Nice homework Bolle,Good Lurkin out.
    GTS
  • KurtHornKurtHorn Posts: 1,382 ✭
    He does say it is just his opinion of the grade. His opinion is worth squat IMO. How could you possible pass that coin off as a problem free Fine? With the rim dings and gouge in the cheek... Of course now days an ANACS slab would say VG 8 details or Fine details damaged. I guess its not much different.
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  • NoGvmntNoGvmnt Posts: 1,126 ✭
    He's doing it again:

    Bought This as ANACS Genuine damaged (no grade) for $1,450.00,

    And is selling This (in his own holder) as an EF 40 for a minimum $1,800.00 and BIN of $2,600.00.

    Jim
  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Whether or not he is inflating the grade, doesn't anybody see a problem with him removing the coin to prevent people from knowing about the "surface damage"?
  • cho10cho10 Posts: 391


    << <i>Whether or not he is inflating the grade, doesn't anybody see a problem with him removing the coin to prevent people from knowing about the "surface damage"? >>


    I do see a problem. That is why I would only buy a 1916-D graded by PCGS, NGC, ANACS or ICG. The fact that this guy seems to like to promote 1916-D Mercuries does not make him an expert. The fact that he breaks out problem coins from recognized TPG companies using his own holders is really not a good sign. But you can't blame him for anything. The coin is his and coins in slabs are not reserved property.

    Buyer beware, buyer be smart     is about all you can say.

    If somebody gets burned by this guy they will only have themselves to blame. Buying a $1000 plus coin is not a game. Not even buying a $20 coin is a game. But if people spend their money so carelessly is an eventual "crook" (I am not implying that this specific EBay seller is a crook) to blame if he takes advantage?

    Naiveness has never been an excuse for anything.
    cho10

    Collecting since the 1980's
    Morgan Dollars Circ. Strikes
    - Basic Set - Varieties - Prooflike Basic Set - Date Set
    - Carson City - Early S Mint Short Set - Mintmark Type Set
    Morgan Dollars Proof
    - Basic Set - Varieties
    Peace Circ.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>He's doing it again:

    Bought This as ANACS Genuine damaged (no grade) for $1,450.00,

    And is selling This (in his own holder) as an EF 40 for a minimum $1,800.00 and BIN of $2,600.00. >>



    He also revised the description in that listing. It had the same BS about the grade being from a retired dealer of 40 years who was selling off his coins.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    As I think about this longer, his actions are excretory... Immoral... Unforgiveable...

    But it's his property and his "reputation" - if he doesn't care...

    At least if someone does their due diligence, his actions are transparent.

    Sleazeball.



    Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1

  • coinnut86coinnut86 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭
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