What grade would you see this Morgan as? *UPDATED* with new pics!!
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Ok these pics are bad and I need to take some new ones but take a stab at it anyway.
I now have this coin in hand and took some new pics today. The frost look ok to me and I think it has a shot at MS63DMPL. The strike is a super hammered 65 quality with excelent hair detail over the ear. The rev is also strong with full breast feathers and strongly detailed tallons. I think I scored on this one but I'll know for sure when it comes back from PCGS
I now have this coin in hand and took some new pics today. The frost look ok to me and I think it has a shot at MS63DMPL. The strike is a super hammered 65 quality with excelent hair detail over the ear. The rev is also strong with full breast feathers and strongly detailed tallons. I think I scored on this one but I'll know for sure when it comes back from PCGS
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lots of luster. does toning hide the rest?
how are the rims? clean? is so, ms62 63 at least.
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If ever there should be a MS 64 CAM, this would be it.
Neat coin!
There are some examples of coins which have been treated to enhance the frosty devices through some type of etching on them, and perhaps also polishing of the fields, to make an otherwise lackluster coin appear to be a cameo PL/DMPL.
I can't definitively discern this from the photos that you have posted, but if I were you I'd have the coin examined by an expert. You may wish to determine if you have return privileges on this coin.
This is one case where I hope that I am mistaken. Just trying to be helpful...
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If that is the case, based on the picture (and the picture may be off), I give it the bodybag--altered surfaces. If it were me, I'd return the coin, if possible. If at all possible take it to someone you can trust who knows Morgans. I would not spend additional grading fees on that coin before doing that much. Odds are that it will just make the hole deeper. Again, it is hard to tell from the picture, but it doesn't look good from here.
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I'd like to have one of these "California Proofs," but I wouldn't pay much for it, pretty coin or not. I'd bet some of these altered coins are finding a home in the lower tier slabs and the buyers have no idea they are being taken to the cleaners--after all the coin is "certified."
Be careful out there.
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As for the Morgan........ whew, from what the eye perceives in a one dimensional picture for me is an MS63 PL, but that is at PCGS
if it is sent to NGC, it is likely an MS65 DMPL. If you sent it off to another, maybe an MS67 DMPL.
Of course, these are all views, and I would like to know one thing about this forum if anyone can interject.
I personally use the forum to gain knowledge, get a feel for those I will be hopefully dealing with in the future, and entertainment.
When a coin is posted for attribution, grade or just a general consensus of how others "feel", is it done for the sake of determining whether or not you send it in for grading, to get it regraded or are you just bored and want to find out what others think ? I noticed a lot of people post something already slabbed and play "guess the grade" and that is kind of fun, so I understand that part, but.....
an inquisitive mind wants to know
Joe
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