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Possible RIP on Ebay.. Anyone want to chance it?

p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭
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I would go for it because the coin looks clean and color looks fine.. at least from what I can tell from those pictures. Unfortunately, there are no returns and I dont have $60 to gamble with.

Auction.

If you decide to bid, please let us know how it works out.

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  • fullerfun4fullerfun4 Posts: 385
    Even if you could tell anything from those awful photos, why in the world would you pay $52 for that coin? Bid is $36.
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  • p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Bid is $32. >>



    I dont think bid of a PCGS 1921 Morgan in MS67 is $32. Nor is an attractively toned MS65.
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Bid is $32. >>



    I dont think bid of a PCGS 1921 Morgan in MS67 is $32. Nor is an attractively toned MS65. >>



    Except he calls it MS64, it's in a stupid crackerjack souvenir holder and all sales are final.

    Gee, what's not to like?

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  • p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭
    Someone has bid on it since the time I posted this thread.. someone sees what I am talking about.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The seller made a mistake. Rather than picking thru those 3 bags of Morgans for the colorful ones...he should have bought the bags!

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  • HadleydogHadleydog Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭
    I don't know, p8nt............the pictures are very, very complimentary. I tend to want to believe his opinion on the grade, with little or no increase in price for that color. JMHO.
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I dont think bid of a PCGS 1921 Morgan in MS67 is $32. Nor is an attractively toned MS65.

    I really doubt that it would grade ms67, or ms65. I really doubt that it would be a rip for the buyer.....
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  • HadleydogHadleydog Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭
    The seller made a mistake. Rather than picking thru those 3 bags of Morgans for the colorful ones...he should have bought the bags!

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  • markglickermarkglicker Posts: 1,486 ✭
    And don't forget the $7.50 shipping.
  • jayboxxjayboxx Posts: 1,613 ✭✭
    I don't know how anyone is going to be able to tell the grade of that coin from those pictures, heck, I just posted far superior pictures of a graded MS66 coin and had people guessing from AU to MS67.
  • p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭
    Com'on guys. I said possible rip. I did not say guaranteed MS67 or MS65. I just said the pictures and color appear nice from what I can see and someone with more money than I might want to take a chance on it.



    << <i>I really doubt that it would grade ms67, or ms65. >>


    As do I. At least about the MS67 part. However, I was merely rebuttling (can I use that word like that? image) the part where fullerfun4 said firmly that bid was $32, without having knowledge of the coins grade or toning.



    I do know who is bidding on the coin currently and they are very happy with me pointing it out. If you dont think its a possibility for a nice coin, you dont need to bid. Its as simple as that. I was trying to be helpful and point it out to someone who might want it.
  • p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I just posted far superior pictures of a graded MS66 coin and had people guessing from AU to MS67. >>



    Is that because of the pictures or the fact that some people dont know how to grade?

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    Maybe the seller of this coin is a conservative/errored grader and his MS64 is actually a MS66? You just dont know.
  • jayboxxjayboxx Posts: 1,613 ✭✭
    no idea p8nt, here is the thread though...

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  • p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭
    Jayboxx, nice coin you have there. The obverse looks like a MS64 and the reverse a MS66. Unfortunately the obverse gash above the 'IGWT' holds it at a MS65.
  • RedTigerRedTiger Posts: 5,608 ✭
    From that pic, it could go AU or get the bodybag. There are nice coins available w/o playing fuzzy picture-junk holder roulette. Personally, I don't think the coin is worth submiitting and spending the $18 (or $12) grading fee. Maybe $25 to $35 raw is a fair price in my mind.

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  • jayboxxjayboxx Posts: 1,613 ✭✭
    Jayboxx, nice coin you have there. The obverse looks like a MS64 and the reverse a MS66. Unfortunately the obverse gash above the 'IGWT' holds it at a MS65

    Thanks p8nt, it's a 66 tho :-)
  • LastExitInNYLastExitInNY Posts: 600 ✭
    Hard to tell through that holder. But if this guys sell as many coins as he has listed, he'd be taking better photos by now. It's like selling a car and taking a pic of it under its cover.
  • p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks p8nt, it's a 66 tho :-) >>



    Even better! Its a great picture and people still grade wrong. It happens.



    What is to say that the 'MS64' referred to in the title cant be wrong?
  • RedTigerRedTiger Posts: 5,608 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Thanks p8nt, it's a 66 tho :-) >>



    Even better! Its a great picture and people still grade wrong. It happens.



    What is to say that the 'MS64' referred to in the title cant be wrong? >>



    9 times out of 10 it is wrong on a raw Ebay coin, and usually it is optimistic. I'd put the over under on a slabbed grade at 62, half chance at 63 or above (10% chance at 64, less than 2% at 65), half chance at 62 or below or bodybag, but that's my opinion. People that play fuzzy picture roulette may once in a while hit a jackpot, but more often than not get a piece of crap on raw coins. With no returns, the bidder must like the drama, or not know any better.
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  • DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720 ✭
    AU, cleaned with environmental damage.

    Run away.

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  • p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭


    << <i>AU with environmental damage. >>



    What makes you say that? I cant see any rub... and you cant be calling the colors on the obverse environmental damage.. It is the exact same toning pattern as on the obverse of my dime. Its the red and green "watermelon" toning as I like to call it.

    image

    Unless, are you suggesting that my dime is environmentally damaged also?
  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    I'll pass
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    the guy has red and green reflections on all his photos


    I think it is a $15-20 coin tops
  • cullenbryantcullenbryant Posts: 1,794


    << <i>Hard to tell through that holder. But if this guys sell as many coins as he has listed, he'd be taking better photos by now. >>



    i haven't got pictures down yet after hundreds of coin lots, but based off the wear on nose chin area, this one looks like an au
    example to me.
    sometimes i think theres a livin in vague pictures
  • RedTigerRedTiger Posts: 5,608 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Hard to tell through that holder. But if this guys sell as many coins as he has listed, he'd be taking better photos by now. >>



    i haven't got pictures down yet after hundreds of coin lots, but based off the wear on nose chin area, this one looks like an au
    example to me.
    sometimes i think theres a livin in vague pictures >>



    I think the picture is vague on purpose. The seller has a "fish" hooked at $52 for a coin that probably cost him about $12, and might get a few more newbies or gamblers in even higher. 300% markup and NO RETURNS is a good living. Newbies, be careful out there. There are lots of sharks, especially selling raw coins on ebay--you don't have to swim after them and make it EASY.


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  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭
    From looking at that seller's other auctions, it appears he is knowledgable about what coins are worth, so your chances of cherrypicking him are likely slim. It also appears he is capable of producing "head-on" shots of coins if he wants to, so I would suspect you only got the "glamour shots" of the 1921-P.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>From looking at that seller's other auctions, it appears he is knowledgable about what coins are worth, so your chances of cherrypicking him are likely slim. It also appears he is capable of producing "head-on" shots of coins if he wants to, so I would suspect you only got the "glamour shots" of the 1921-P. >>



    My thoughts exactly. If anything at all, overgraded is a very high probability.
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  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭
    Why of why can't these same bidders find my auctions????

    From the photos, you really can't tell if the coin is even BU. Even harder to tell the colors.

    For that coin to be worth $70, it MUST be a 64+ with neat color.

    I htink the coin is barely worth $15.

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