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ever see a grown man cry? Before and after cleaning.

WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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From one of the metal detecting forums. A detectorist posted this half after he found it image , and then again after he cleaned itimage


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We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
--Severian the Lame

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,549 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EEEWWW...............

    Well, at least he got the black stuff off...................

    Pete
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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that black stuff was just dirt that water would have washed off.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    I can see the image now.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I actually like the 2nd pic better. It even has some attractive toning which tells me those photos were taken years apart. Had the cleaning been abrasive none of that color would be left.

    The first one looks absolutely horrible. Are you sure that's not the cleaned one?

    roadrunner
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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    They were taken hours apart. The first is how it came out of the ground, not even rinsed with water. The second is after a thorough scrubbing with MS-70 or soft scrub or some other awful compound.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hours apart? Then unequivocably the 2nd photo is better. The cleaner could not have used an abrasive and left that much color on the coin......not MS70, not Jeweluster, and not a scrub brush.

    I like the "2nd", assuming they are the same coin. The first photo looks like a completely baking sodaed peice of swill that I would never in a million years consider buying. Pure garbage...with no disrespect to garbage intended.

    I'm not sure they are the same coin. I see marks and spots that don't line up in the diff photos. Seller/owner is full of it imo.
    If not, he has found a way to turn cleaned schlock into original looking condition by further cleaning.

    roadrunner
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They are the same coin. There is a mark below Liberty's left arm that appears in both pics.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Might be the angle but that mark looks higher on her arm than in the other photo. Curiously, the shape of the mark is nearly identical. It was the first thing I looked at. Same with the black mark on the rim at 5:00, which seems to have gotten "worse" after the cleaning. How about the 2 marks to the right of her head?
    I see them clearly one and yet not the other.

    In any case, the guy improved the coin or his photography improved.
    How the heck did the guy get nice toning on this coin a few hours after cleaning it? Just doesn't happen. If he scrubbed hard enough to remove all the toning from around the stars (not a trace remains), then no color would be left on the coin, let alone an "even" coloration as the 2nd photo shows.

    roadrunner
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe those pics are of the same coin, look at the big hit just to the right of Miss Liberty's left arm. It looks like the two pictures were taken under drastically different lighting conditions. Look at the backround surface the coin was resting on, you can see the same pattern in both but in the upper picture the surface looks blue and the lower one it looks pink. That makes comparing the two images almost impossible.

    That said, it definitely looks like the coin was harmed by the cleaning. Check out the surafces and tones behind the stars on the right side of the coin in both images, even with the colors being off you can see that any surface originality was stripped from the surfaces. Why don't you have a sticky post in the detecting forum warning people not to abrasively clean their finds?


    Sean Reynolds
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  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,724 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>From one of the metal detecting forums. A detectorist posted this half after he found it image , and then again after he cleaned itimageimage >>

    I have a difficult time believing those are the same coins.

    There are rim dings on the lower one at 7:00 and 8:00 that aren't on the upper ones.
    That weird scratch behind Miss Liberty's head is moving in a different direction on both coins
    and
    The location of the gash at Miss Liberty's arm is in a different location.
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    same coin different rotation and angle of photos

    i love the coin !! i hope all collectors clean their coins like this as it makes mine worth more/scarcer as time goes on
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    That said, it definitely looks like the coin was harmed by the cleaning. Check out the surafces and tones behind the stars on the right side of the coin in both images, even with the colors being off you can see that any surface originality was stripped from the surfaces. Why don't you have a sticky post in the detecting forum warning people not to abrasively clean their finds?

    Sean Reynolds >>



    That's a good idea, Sean. This was taken from another forum, though, not a CU forum. And though I've tried to explain to detectorists (I'm one myself) over the years that cleaning greatly reduces the value of coins like this, some detectorists don't see things that way. Finds are more like trophies than coins: Something you mount on a wall. It makes them happy to see it all shined up, they wouldn't want it if it were dirty.

    As for those who like the cleaned coin better...as Michael said, more power to you.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,724 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>same coin different rotation and angle of photos i love the coin !! i hope all collectors clean their coins like this as it makes mine worth more/scarcer as time goes on >>

    Look at the top of the liberty cap, where it points to the star, it's differnt shaped, look at the base where Liberty is sitting, on the left side, the base is closer to the denticles and the denticles are different shaped.
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is the same coin.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    i see your poinit lanlord

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    i still think it is an optical dilusion and the coins are the same

    i have seen same coins inperson in hand and when photos are taken of the coin it does not at all look like the same coin

  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,724 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>i see your poinit lanlord hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i still think it is an optical dilusion and the coins are the same i have seen same coins inperson in hand and when photos are taken of the coin it does not at all look like the same coin >>

    Well bud, I believe you. I know you look at coins way closer than most people do (me ). But thanks for looking again. It still looks funny to me. I guess I need to look at some coins at different angles.
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The best marker that it's the same coin is the hit next to the left (viewer's right) elbow. Definitely the same coin.

    Jeremy
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  • AlixTCatAlixTCat Posts: 1,276
    Clearly the lighting is not the same. Look at the colored background. Do you propose he leave the black junk on the coin? Sometimes a good cleaning is JUST what the coin needs. But you can't compare two images that are clearly not lit the same. The second image looks pretty good to me though.

    Jonathan
    I have been a collector for over mumbly-five years. I learn something new every day.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Amen the lighting is obviously different if they were shot on the same background. I can't tell anything by these photos.
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    The details of the stars seems to be different although the mark near the mark seems convincing.
  • HobbyistHobbyist Posts: 215
    I think they are the same coin. The pictures are so different, though, that I can't tell whether the coin was saved or ruined.
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  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭


    << <i>look at the base where Liberty is sitting, on the left side, the base is closer to the denticles and the denticles are different shaped. >>


    Considering the dies that struck these were made from full hubs it would be rther difficult for the base to get closer or further from the denticles.
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    In any case, the guy improved the coin or his photography improved.
    How the heck did the guy get nice toning on this coin a few hours after cleaning it? >>



    The difference is not toning, but rather bad white balance, I would suggest, in one or both photos. Another guess is that the white balance is the same and the lighting is different.

    My guess is the background is the same and should be the same color in each photo...Mike
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.

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