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This is a 1878 7tf ms63 pl rev 78,
It has the type II 2 Obv and the B2F Rev Missing Feathers..... so One would think it is a vam 197
But it has the die Gouge thru the IB of the Vam 131 on the obv and also a Big blob of metal in the Hair.
No Doubling That is Weird on a 78
So HELP
It has the type II 2 Obv and the B2F Rev Missing Feathers..... so One would think it is a vam 197
But it has the die Gouge thru the IB of the Vam 131 on the obv and also a Big blob of metal in the Hair.
No Doubling That is Weird on a 78
So HELP
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My coin, 1878 7TF, has the same characteristics. It is a VAM 83, High 1. If you look at the first 1 in tha date it is noticably higher than the rest of the numbers. The other characteristics evidentally do not play in the identification. I could be mistaken.
Nice coin!
Brian
it can not be a vam 83 it has a type II2 obv and a B2 Rev short center arrow
And NO doubling on the coin at all
The R is not Broken ,The D is not Broken
There is No doubling it is a B2 F Missing Feathers Rev No other problem on the Rev
Look on Page 157 vam 131 That is the IB Die Gouge But it is Not A B2A Rev...
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The 185 and 186 have the Broken R
This one is not Broken
<< <i>Check the 185s and 186s for the gouge through the IB, because I'm pretty sure it's one of them. I'm going to say 185B right now, bit I don't have any notes in front of me to verify this. >>
According to Leroy's 7TF Attribution Guide:
VAM-195 - II 2 Diagonal line thru B in LIBERTY.
-B²e bottom of D in Dollar broken away. R in Trust not broken.
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Nope D is intact
It looks like Vam 131 Line thru I B But it has the wrong Reverse
The VAM-131C II 2 also shows this same die scratch in I and B of LIBERTY. The attribution guide mentions:
131C II 2 - B²a - (Die Scratch Thru IB)
-Obverse II 2 - Heavy diagonal scratch thru B and bottom of I in LIBERTY. Faint partial incuse n next to neck from reverse "In" on some specimens.
-Reverse type B²a - Normal ReverseLater type B reverse, with shorter center arrow shaft and die chips around R and U in TRUST. Eagle's wings show at least 6 different states of over polishing where field shows thru.
There is no mention about broken or non-broken letter Ds in VAM-131C or tther VAM 131 types. Therefore I would assume the D is intact.
The VAM 197 you mentioned earlier (B²f reverse) has ALL the feathering polished away while yours is not fully polished away. Rule this one out.
I believe your Morgan is a VAM-131C.
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The doubling is more frequent on the II/I reimpresssed die obvereses.
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<< <i>John
The 185 and 186 have the Broken R
This one is not Broken >>
I guess I didn't read far enough into the thread. R sort of looked broken in the first picture. I concur with the 131C attribution, then.
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