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New 1806 Half Dollar Variety (O-129) Confirmed

The discovery of a new die variety of 1806 half dollar has been confirmed by experts who examined the coin. The coin was discussed on this forum in a previous thread. The new variety has been designated Overton-129. It combines a previously unknown obverse (designated as obverse 13) with a known reverse (reverse L). It was sold unattributed on eBay last month.

See images of the coin below. To me the most striking feature of the obverse is how far the lower left star is from the bust. (It has been observed that this star is higher than on any other draped bust half dollar, 1801 to 1807.) More information will be forthcoming. Have a look and start searching for more specimens of this variety (but if you don't find any I won't be too disappointed. image )

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  • This will open up old wounds. "The Million Dollar Coin that Got Away!" Andy
  • PreTurbPreTurb Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭
    Congratulations on the fantastic find!!!
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The hole looks very unusual. There appears to be a raised rim of uniform height and width on the periphory of the hole on both sides of the coin. I've never seen this feature on a holed coin before.

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  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭
    I guess now we know why the bidding went so high!

    Congrats, and welcome to the boards.
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The original thread for those who want the rest of the story.


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  • numobrinumobri Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭


    Holey Coin Vest!!!!image
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  • Welcome to the forum colridge! Congratulations on the new find.
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  • MercMerc Posts: 1,646 ✭✭
    Nice. I looked in some of my old auction catalogues, but found no 1806 halves like this one. I'll be on the outlook for these new O-129's!
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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations on the confirmation colridge! I'm really very excited about this. If you don't mind...give us a break down of how the conformation went and who was involved...happened at the show in Oregon recently? It truely is a shame that it just missed the new Overton going to print.
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Nice find.
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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hope you don't mind but I posted your CU thread on Byron's Bust Coin forum.
  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations colridge.image

    How many new varieties have you discovered? I have a feeling this is not your 1st discovery coin.image
  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations Colridge! And a big thank you to board member Mozin for doing all the work to set up the meeting at the Portland Show on Saturday, 10/29. It has been a privilege to be a part of the authentication team for the last two Overton variety discoveries.



    << <i>give us a break down of how the conformation went >>



    A shortened version is:
    Weigh the coin - 12.84 grams, appropriate for the level of wear (hole is approx. .05 grams of weight reduction), diameter is standard 32.5 mm
    Reverse L is VLDS used after O.116.
    Compare obverse to all used 1801-1807, overlay verified obverse hub, all letters and date numerals matched those used in 1806.
    Check for signs of alteration and surface granularity, "ring" test matched another 1806 half (verify struck vrs cast).
    A critical test was to verify the edge lettering matched the edge hub used from mid-1795 through 1806 halves, which it did. The edge die wear was slightly more than 1806 O.116 (rev L), but not as worn as 1806 O.117.




    << <i>The hole looks very unusual >>



    We thought the hole was 19th century by the wear pattern. It was not used much as jewelry, as the inside showed little "chain" wear, it was probably holed, then a pocket piece for awhile.

    There will be a Coin World article soon on the discovery.
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  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭


    << <i>The hole looks very unusual. There appears to be a raised rim of uniform height and width on the periphory of the hole on both sides of the coin. I've never seen this feature on a holed coin before. >>



    I see it often, especially on draped bust coinage. Here's another example of that hole type;

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    Here is that type before it has been 'cleaned';

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    And here is what that hole type looks like post 'cleaning' but before any kind of noticable wear takes place;

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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,169 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There will be a Coin World article soon on the discovery. >>


    I can't wait! Nysoto, can you let us know which issue it will be in when you find out? Thanks.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good snag, colridge, and thanks for taking the time to share the inner workings of verification, Nysoto.
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  • Yes, thanks to Mozin, Nysoto, et. al. for an informative and fun authentication meeting.




    << <i>How many new varieties have you discovered? I have a feeling this is not your 1st discovery coin.image >>



    Indeed it isn't my first discovery coin. I brought another discovery piece to the meeting. It's a B-23 1798 draped bust dollar with an unusually wide 8. I figured it might be a new sub-variety created late in the use of the die. One of the guys took a look and identified that the piece was plugged in the location of the 8, so the 8 isn't original. (Even after he pointed it out, it was hard for me to tell.)

    Now I'm down to only one other discovery coin, a dateless draped bust large cent. The reverse, or what's left of it, I haven't been able to match to any known variety. But there are so few diagnostics left that even if it is a new variety it might not be able to be authenticated, making it a Rarity-9 piece, effective population of 0.

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  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Nysoto and colridge,

    You are welcome. Most excitement I had in ages.image
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very Cool!

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  • I may have this but the article on the (O-129) is now in Coin World.

    Congrats!

    Makes for a nice read.

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