another fake 1901-s quarter on the bay!!

jdimmick · October 28, 2005 9:42AM

Here is another seller selling an altered 1901-s barber quarter and trying to play it off as most likely the real deal. Reading his text, I am pretty sure he knows its bad, but sells it anyway acting like he doesnt know?? Stupid bidders!!1901-s bay

DrPete · October 28, 2005 9:46AM

I love ebay listings that look like a ransom note. The "s" doesn't even look like it has anywhere near the right shape.

Stay away from this coin!

dizzyfoxx · October 28, 2005 10:40AM

As soon as I think I've seen it all, an auction like this pops up!

100proof1957 · October 28, 2005 1:34PM

nasty whizzed POS forgery

roadrunner · October 29, 2005 12:03AM

The grammar in the auction is atrocious. This guy is certainly a bottom feeder.

roadrunner

Caricon · October 29, 2005 12:25AM

I have a 1901 Quarter that I found while metal detecting in Colorado many years ago. It's not the S type. But
after looking at this auction, I am really getting sick of auctions that you can't read. Auctions that are 5 pages
long. Trying to read thru them just to see what they really are selling, and how much shipping might cost. And
even if this coin would be legit, you can't even read the description. Just too many scams on eBay right now.
Need to go back to just the short and to the point description auctions.

Smittys · October 29, 2005 12:44AM

Is anyone turning him in..???

MFH · October 29, 2005 1:03AM

My first impression upon seeing just the obverse, was that it looked like a cast copy, but the reverse S mint mark is so obviously wrong, I don't know what type of forgery it is.

I still can't get over the fact that 15 people have bid on this POS.

Nocerino18 · October 29, 2005 1:14AM

Ebay needs to do something. These scams are getting rediculous.

segoja · October 29, 2005 3:19AM

Reported.

Question for seller:

<< Will you guarantee this coin as a genuiune 1901-S quarter via an ANACS submission??? Coin looks counterfeit to me >>

Link to report

segoja · October 29, 2005 5:44AM

Sellers reply"

<< AS Stated in the Discription I can only allow the three days after you recieve the coin , Reason is i am selling it to help settle a Estate for the Family of Original owner ... Guess thats why it is not up over $7,000 yet , there are members of the family which i am selling the coins for only in this state for about a week i listed a couple rarer coins and they sold and buyers gave me good feedback saying they got a super deal.. but the family i am selling these for the father who has passed and owned this collection had a couple bad dealings with grading services and does not trust them at all in fact ANACS was one of the two by switching a coin and i guess he had proof of it and charges were filed the other was pgcs for something he had a problem with... The Family members here want the coins sold and money divided this week not with a well IF type thing just want them gone o the three day return as listed in discription is the best i can offer Sorry >>

goose3 · October 29, 2005 5:51AM

what a load of crap, just like the listing.

stockwiz · October 29, 2005 8:32AM

makes you wonder if there are counterfit specimens that "look" real enough to fool people, and how that might effect the actual price. Personally I wouldn't touch that coin if it wasn' t certified by the big 3, and even then I wouldn't touch it because it's overpriced relative to the 1913-s and 1896-s , in my opinion.

jdimmick · October 29, 2005 9:26AM

First, its a crud MM and anybody with the slightest knowledge of Barber quarters knows that its bad, unfortunately several folks who want one that are new or lack experience may not.

I have herd several comments over the years about possible switch out at the grading services, most of the time, I believe its a cop-out and BS. Has anybody actually had this happen at one of the respectable three??

The only story that I have herd and that was many years ago from an elder club member/ freind who was a major dealer at the time locally was about a very Nice highend MintState 1893-s $ that was ruined by the secret service when it was sent in for authentication. Apparently back then, coins used to be shipped to the secret service for authentication and they put acid on the MM becuase they knew it had to be counterfiet becuase it was so nice and unherd of in that condition.

Oh one additional thing, if it were a genuine 01-s and in that grade range and especially original, I would hardly call it overpriced.

Dave99B · October 29, 2005 1:16PM

Boy Jim, that one is UGLY. What a complete, total hack job.

Oddly enough, the $500 price doesn't shock me all that much. I've seen several fake 01-S's go for that kind of money on eBay, even when they are advertised as being bogus. Some people collect fake key dates, for some damn reason. Go figure.

Dave

GoYankees · December 23, 2005 3:00AM

Here's a followup from this auction. Based on the feedback, I get the impression that the coin was a fake, but the seller was honest and took full responsibility...

Awesome Ebay Person I Learned Alot , Thanks for Great Communication A ++++++
Seller bcccoins ( 3722Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) Oct-30-05 20:59 8346808623

VERY understanding seller! Honesty and integrity abound! Would buy from again!
Buyer stitchgraycats ( 320Feedback score is 100 to 499) Oct-30-05 13:56 8346808623

Barberman55 · December 23, 2005 3:08AM

That's got to be the worst looking fake "S" mintmark that I've ever seen on a 01-S. Apparantly the person has no clue as to the diagnostics of an authentic 01-S mintmark.

millennium · December 23, 2005 3:27AM

I have to believe that the people that bid on this type of obvious fakery, are well aware of what they are doing, and the seller actually knows the most of the ones that are bidding on the auction. I am almost positive this is done to pull in an unsuspecting victim....I can't believe that a person that knows enough about rare coins and is willing to spend over a thousand dollars on a coin is this clueless....

MajorDuty · December 23, 2005 4:39AM

<< Here's a followup from this auction. Based on the feedback, I get the impression that the coin was a fake, but the seller was honest and took full responsibility...

Awesome Ebay Person I Learned Alot , Thanks for Great Communication A ++++++
Seller bcccoins ( 3722Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) Oct-30-05 20:59 8346808623

VERY understanding seller! Honesty and integrity abound! Would buy from again!
Buyer stitchgraycats ( 320Feedback score is 100 to 499) Oct-30-05 13:56 8346808623 >>

That stitchgraycats guy is the current high bidder. In cahoots with the seller?

MrXray · December 23, 2005 4:41AM

Looking at the winning bidders history. I believe either it was bccoins alt ID, or someone they knew.

michael · December 23, 2005 4:42AM

sleezebay you gotta love it

Hyperion · December 23, 2005 4:48AM

for novices like myself, good reading...

1901 S Barber Quarter Info

TorinoCobra71 · December 23, 2005 5:03AM

Holy Crap! Went for $2185. Pics are Crappy on top of that......

TorinoCobra71

Conder101 · December 23, 2005 5:36AM

<< The only story that I have herd and that was many years ago from an elder club member/ freind who was a major dealer at the time locally was about a very Nice highend MintState 1893-s $ that was ruined by the secret service when it was sent in for authentication. Apparently back then, coins used to be shipped to the secret service for authentication and they put acid on the MM becuase they knew it had to be counterfiet becuase it was so nice and unherd of in that condition. >>

That was done back in the days before the certification services and was one of the arguments for ANACS. It was an 1893-S dollar and it was either AU or MS I don't remember which. It was sent to the Mint Labs for authentication and they didn't use acid on the coin, they used the point of a knife to dig under the mintmark and try to pop it off. After several attempts they decided that it was not an added mintmark as was genuine. Of course by that thime it had several nasty digs and scrapes around the mintmark. Those seriously damaged the coin and would make anyone who saw it question its authenticity because of all the "tool marks".

PerryHall · December 23, 2005 7:16AM

conder101---Weren't some 1969-S DDO cents sent to the mint for authentication and they decided they were counterfeit since the mint doesn't make mistakes? I believe all were destroyed. Why send anything to the mint when we have some of the best experts within the top tier TPGS and right here on this forum?

coinspeculator · December 23, 2005 7:35AM

I seen his stuff.

I never bid on any of his auctions.

almost but,every time I see that red border on a auction I go to the next coin.
some thing tells me he is full of it.

I hope he rots in jail!!

he should be reported to the fed!!

Conder101 · December 23, 2005 4:58PM

<< Weren't some 1969-S DDO cents sent to the mint for authentication and they decided they were counterfeit since the mint doesn't make mistakes? I believe all were destroyed. Why send anything to the mint when we have some of the best experts within the top tier TPGS and right here on this forum? >>

They didn't decide they were counterfeit because the mint doesn't make mistakes, there had been some actual counterfeit 1969 Philadelphia cents on the market earlier that year and when the 69-S doubled dies appeared the secret service over reacted and just delared them fake because the Philadelphia's were. Yes, all of the initially confiscated coins were destroyed. A couple of pieces that were confiscated later were eventually returned. And why send things to the mint? Well this forum wasn't around in 1969, and there were no TPG. So the only choice for someone who should be an expert on the coins was to send them to the secret service or the mint laboratories.

The time period of confiscations because "the mint doesn't make mistakes" attitude was a couple decades earlier, and then before that it was the "If it doesn't exactly match the specifications of the Act of 1873, then it's illegal." period. That period was marked by the confiscation of mint errors, off metal errors, and patterns.

I also don't think you can tell much of anything about the shape of the mintmark from that blurry out of focus picture they used in that auction.

PerryHall · December 23, 2005 8:39PM

Comder---Thanks. Great info on how the mints attitude towards error coins has evolved.

another fake 1901-s quarter on the bay!!

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