DMPL designation

mcmxi · October 21, 2005 4:05AM

Does a coin have to have frost on the devices to get this, or is it just about the mirrors? I am asking because I have a 1901-o that give a clean reflection out to about 2 feet, but has very little frost whatsoever. It seems to me that this would be a sign that someone polished it or is that common. I can't take a picture b/c my wife is away this weekend and took the camera.

I took these with the camera approx 12 in above the coin. my fingers showed up in detail through the viewfinder, but didn't do so well when captured. I can read text in the reflection at over two feet.

CarlWohlforth · October 21, 2005 4:08AM

I believe the devices do need to be frosty as well as the fields being reflective.

TorinoCobra71 · October 21, 2005 4:32AM

Bidness.....

4 inch mirror =PL

6+ inch mirror = DMPL

??

Am I right or wrong ??

TorinoCobra71

CarlWohlforth · October 21, 2005 4:38AM

I just looked up deep mirror proof like in the PCGS grading guide. It says nothing about frosty devices and only talks about how reflective the fields are. It is just that I can't remember seeing a Morgan with the DMPL designation that didn't have at least somewhat frosty devices.

DUIGUY · October 21, 2005 4:45AM

Just got an 82cc GSA MS65 DPL today. The fields are so mirrored it makes the devices look frosted.
It puts the other DPL's I have to shame.

Devices do not have to be frosted to be DPL , But it works for me if they are.

USCGCraig · October 21, 2005 6:15AM

I picked up a 81-S MS65 in a PCGS 1st gen holder awhile ago that I thought was a lock for DMPL. You can clearly see reflection to at least 12" and that was after I broke the coin out. I submitted it raw and got it back as MS65 with no designation. i don't think I needed to request that did I? Mine doesn't have a heck of a lot of frost but it sure reflects nicely and clearly.

Any hints on submitting it to get the DMPL? PCGS is offering free grading this quarter for 1881 and 1961 coins.

DennisH · October 21, 2005 6:22AM

I've seen two of the PCGS 1904-Ps in DMPL, and they had almost no frost on the devices.

BigAl · October 21, 2005 6:50AM

No frost is necessary for the DMPL designation. However, the coin must exhibit dmpl strength on both sides in order to receive this designation.

If the coin has a dmpl/pl obverse yet no mirrors on the reverse, you will not receive dmpl/pl at pcgs (often seen w/ 78cc's) . If the coin is dmpl on one side and pl on the other, the coin will grade pl at pcgs. Anacs will grade a morgan "dmpl obverse/reverse" or "pl obverse/reverse". Frost is necessary for the cameo designation when grading proof morgans at pcgs.

DMWJR · October 21, 2005 6:53AM

<< <i>No frost is necessary for the DMPL designation. However, the coin must exhibit dmpl strength on both sides in order to receive this designation.

If the coin has a dmpl/pl obverse yet no mirrors on the reverse, you will not receive dmpl/pl at pcgs (often seen w/ 78cc's) . If the coin is dmpl on one side and pl on the other, the coin will grade pl at pcgs. Anacs will grade a morgan "dmpl obverse/reverse" or "pl obverse/reverse". Frost is necessary for the cameo designation when grading proof morgans at pcgs. >>

PL or DMPL on one side, but nothing on the other, is what is commonly called semi-pl. It is worthy of a premium, but not the premium that DMPL brings.

We needs to see a picture of the precious.

morgannut2 · October 21, 2005 7:19AM

Late model Morgans (from '98 on) have no frost as a generality, they are said to be "silver contrast" PL's or Dmpl's depending on the refectivity (4" or 7"+). If your '01 has frost, I'd worry it was artifical.

crito · October 23, 2005 12:17AM

UDM = 12+ inches of reflectivity on both sides, and is the reason I'll never cross this coin to PCGS:

Only thing missing is Randy Campbell's signature on the back, which I'm hoping to get someday... already have the white ink pen.

mcmxi · October 23, 2005 10:24AM

ttt

JrGMan2004 · October 23, 2005 10:40AM

PL is 4inches and DMPL is 8inchs at PCGS and NGC... at ANACS, at least at one point, I believe PL was 2inches and DMPL was 6 or 8 inches and UDMPL is 12+inches...

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