Hitler & MacAurther Two Coins..What are they.???

Smittys · October 16, 2005 10:48PM

One is a 1935 Hitler 5 RM Appears to be Silver Not quite Dollar size.
The other is a 5 Dollar MacAurther ...1989 Niue.
Can anyone tell me about these and give some idea of Value?
Thanks,
Smitty

ajaan · October 16, 2005 10:53PM

First one is a token or medal. No German coins w/Hitler in it.

Niue coin cataloges for $5.00 in BU. Cu-Ni coin. Value? I'd guess about $3.00

farthing · October 16, 2005 11:14PM

The first one is likely a fantasy piece - ajaan is correct, there were no German coins with Hitler on them

laurentyvan · October 17, 2005 1:49AM

Why was the 1935 Hitler 5 RM given a monetary value if it was a medal? Would this piece not be more valuable (than it might be) given the fact that Hitler's image is so rare on German coins?

As for the 1989 Niue, I picked up that $5 for about $4 in UNC- it was a country I was unfamiliar with and didn't have and hadn't seen in 3 years of combing through endless boxes of coins (no Krause mintage listed for the 1989 Niue mintage). NCLT's from this "country" in similar years had mintages between 50,000 to 80,000, and this piece wasn't showing up constantly for sale the way certain countries coins were (at least in my neighborhood). It's also the best MacArthur image I've seen...

Is it undervalued given the millions of global coin collectors in the world today?

Edited to correct spelling and add content.

Udo · October 17, 2005 1:55AM

<< Why did they have give the 1935 Hitler RM a monetary value if it was a medal? >>

Laurent, RM=Reichsmark isn't correct, if it was a legal tender the word "Reichsmark" must be announced on the coin, so no monetary value on that medal with RM.

laurentyvan · October 17, 2005 2:01AM

RM to most people would denote Reichsmark. There was intent there... what about the "value added" portrait of Hitler? Strange way to phrase it, I agree...

Berg · October 17, 2005 2:15AM

The "Hitler-coins" seemed to have appeared a couple of months ago on german e-bay. It is mostly, to my understanding, the same guys that also sell goldplated reichsmarks, replica ghetto coins etc, that also sell these ones. Im not an expert on it but it looks like rather many of these coins are being made. Likewise I suspect there is someone who makes new reichsmarks coins of more rarer dates and mintmarks but hey this is just my suspicious mind speaking after viewing some auctions and sellers...

laurentyvan · October 17, 2005 2:34AM

Im not an expert on it but it looks like rather many of these coins are being made

Why am I not more surprised?

Edited to add: that 1935 5 RM is pretty good-would have fooled me!

cacheman · October 17, 2005 2:34AM

Actually, Goetz made a 5 Reichsmark Pattern in 1942 (K-659):

As quoted by Mr. Kurt Jaeger of Stuttgart, the eminent German numistmatist:

"...Quite different however, is the case of a Hitler pattern 5 Reichsmark of 1942, Mintmark A, copper, silver-plated, which was struck in normal size and with the customery edge engraving of the German 5 Reichsmark pieces in Berlin after a design by the medalist Goetz.

One piece was presented to Hitler in his headquarters Wolfschanze by the Director of the Monetary System in 1942, Herr v.P. As the widow of Herr v. P. vouches, Hitler said about the presentation that his head should appear on the German coins after the final victory. This pattern is still in existence today in the above mentioned hands.

A total of 4 pieces were struck...."

laurentyvan · October 17, 2005 2:38AM

A total of 4 pieces were struck...."

Thanks m'sieu; by the by, those teeth are driving me crazy! Have you considered showing a pair of exposed human mammaries instead?

1jester · October 17, 2005 3:51AM

If memory serves me correctly, there was a coin issued when Hitler assumed power, and it had his effigy on it. It also alluded to the year, 1933, as the "year of the reversal in the fate of Germany". Is this coin not a legal tender issue? I thought it was. I had a chance to buy one at auction in Poland years ago, but when that lot came up, the bidding floor was so quiet you could a pin drop. Nobody wanted to touch that coin. So I also didn't buy it.

Berg · October 17, 2005 7:21AM

Here is another coin/token with Adolf on it:

Found on Uk ebay...

The market seem to be flooded with more or less odd third reich coins and tokens. As for myself I stick to the ones mentioned in my book... And my book say, no adolf, no gold, and the ghetto coins you might get your hands on are probably fakes...

But hey there are several nice mark-coins from the kaiserriech to collect.

goossen · October 18, 2005 2:57AM

<< Here is another coin/token with Adolf on it:

>>

I also have this medal!! Any info on it ?

danglen · October 18, 2005 5:35AM

<< Is it undervalued given the millions of global coin collectors in the world today? >>

I have sold several of the McArthur Nuie crowns and found the Market Value to be around $15.00 to $20.00. This is another area where Krause isn't even in the same zip code with reality.

There is also another nice McArthur coin that was put out by the Philippines.

Preussen · October 18, 2005 9:30PM

<< If memory serves me correctly, there was a coin issued when Hitler assumed power, and it had his effigy on it. It also alluded to the year, 1933, as the "year of the reversal in the fate of Germany". Is this coin not a legal tender issue? I thought it was. >>

I believe it must have been a medal, as no circulating coins with Hitler's image were issued. With the exception of the pattern that cacheman showed us, the items imaged in this thread are medals and/or fantasy pieces...probably modern. To collectors of Third Reich coins, these items are generally of no interest. - Preussen

1jester · October 18, 2005 9:35PM

<< 

<< If memory serves me correctly, there was a coin issued when Hitler assumed power, and it had his effigy on it. It also alluded to the year, 1933, as the "year of the reversal in the fate of Germany". Is this coin not a legal tender issue? I thought it was. >>

I believe it must have been a medal, as no circulating coins with Hitler's image were issued. With the exception of the pattern that cacheman showed us, the items imaged in this thread are medals and/or fantasy pieces...probably modern. To collectors of Third Reich coins, these items are generally of no interest. - Preussen >>

I do believe I recall now that it was a medal or token of some sort, because it was listed under other medals. However, it was a period piece, not a modern one.

Dabigkahuna · October 19, 2005 5:51PM

A bit off the topic here.

Anyone have any idea where to look up a value or info on stuff like these? I found a batch of different stamps like these in a big album of Hilter photo like cards.

hitler 80
Stuka

Larry
Dabigkahuna

Hitler &amp; MacAurther Two Coins..What are they.???

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Hitler & MacAurther Two Coins..What are they.???