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Do major dealers have any controls in place to prevent money laundering?

LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
Every year at work we have to sign a document acknowledging that we will follow the corporate integrity guidelines. One of the things that I need to "sign off" on is working to prevent money from inadvertantly being laundered through the company by outside people. An example that they give is "a long-time US customer wants to by [a product] and donate it to a clinic in the Middle East. The customer pays with a wire from an account in the name of a USVI company, at a bank located in a Pacific Island nation."

Because coins can store an immense amount of wealth (and they can be easily transported), do the large dealers have any controls in place to prevent dirty money from being laundered through your business through the acquisition of very valuable rare coins?
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  • We have to fill out a special IRS form if we receive more than $10,000 in cash for one transaction. We also have to report a cumulative amount of money recieved from one customer if it is all in cash within a one year period. There are other safeguards to prevent money laundering. You can usually tell if someone is trying to launder money. When the flags go up, then you have to tighten the method in which a transaction is handled.
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  • Every dealer I have asked this question of has always given some sort of standard answer. I have asked 3 different dealers the following question. All 3 answered with a puzzled look:none of the three had any type of answer. And all 3 know they better go find one.

    The money laundering question I posed is this: What are you going to do or say if someone comes to you and TELLS you that you are going to launder money for them? Any of you dealers prepared to deal with this situation? Do any of you dealers know what NOT to do or say?



    Jerry
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    maybe most employee the dont ask dont tell rule.
    kinda like pawnshop owners that except stolen goods.
    not suppose to do it but, you know it happens
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I remember correctly, a few years ago a major dealer went to prison for over a year for money laundering. I believe it was the owner of Silvertowne.

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  • ebaytraderebaytrader Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If I remember correctly, a few years ago a major dealer went to prison for over a year for money laundering. I believe it was the owner of Silvertowne. >>



    Leon Hendrickson. It sounds bad but he was more the victim. He unknowingly did a series of cash transactions with one person over an extended period of time that resulted in a prosecution. This was before it was common knowledge about a 'series of transactions' interpretation.
  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536
    Leon went to prison because he saved up all the customers related transactions and reported them on an annual report to save on bookkeeping, which the law says you can do, but the IRS decided after the fact that he should have reported them each individually since each transaction was over $10,000. (The customer had told him ahead of time that he was going to be making a large bullion buy each month so Leoon treated them as a group of related transactions.) Leon never made any attempt to hide the cash transactions, and he reported all of them. Just not in as timely a fashion as the IRS wanted. And for that he and his son spent time in prison. (The law was written in an either/or fashion. report cash transactions over $10,000, OR if they make a series of related transactions that total over $10,000 add up the related transactions and report that. Leon took the OR.)
  • Wow, he should have hired a better lawyer...
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  • Leon and his son went to prison for 6 months each. This happened at a time when the coin market was booming. During the boom, some dealers were selling out of inventory at almost every show. It was also a time when cash was the normal method for payment.....not checks. Bullion was at an all time high. Some dealers had their own armed security to get them in and out of shows because they were literally dealing in millions of dollars of cash and inventory at each show. I just have to set the stage for what happened to Leon.

    Now that the mood is set, you can have a better understanding of how Leon was incorrectly punished for doing what every other dealer at the time was doing; taking cash as payment from customers.

    Here's the difference: one of the guys buying bullion from Silvertowne was a big time drug dealer and he was laundering money through buying/selling bullion. When the drug scum bucket got caught, the FBI implicated everyone along the way, including innocent merchants. The government decided to make an example out of one of the most honest dealers in the country. Really pathetic.

    Leon Hendrickson is a very honest, hard working, down-to-earth guy. Anyone who has had the honor to meet him would agree that he is top of the line. He just fell victim to "the system".
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