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What do you guys think of this rainbow toned 1964 proof Kennedy - real or AT?

RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
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The obverse is an ugly splotchy brown.

Russ, NCNE
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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    Real.
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  • SavvySavvy Posts: 80
    Ugly, either way.
  • coinfreak499coinfreak499 Posts: 1,720
    I like it. NT


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  • matteproofmatteproof Posts: 722
    Gorgeous reverse color. Looks NT to me. I like it mucho. image matteproof
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    What is your process? image

    I don't have a clue--I could tell the difference if it bit me on the nose.

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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    That's as fake as a three dollar gold piece.


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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    i vote for real.....
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  • JxnBoyJxnBoy Posts: 737
    With the progression of those bands, to me that thing looks real beyond a doubt, especially when you say the obv is unremarkable and splotchy.

    I'd take a jab at it being a Kennedy, but that's kinda old, isn't it?
    David
  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    realimage
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  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭
    Looks really nice. What does the obverse look like?
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  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    nt
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  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Russ: I'd guess that it's NT, because if someone were trying to artificially tone it, they'd have likely also worked on the splotchy brown obverse.

    Stuart

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  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭
    It looks a bunch like a NT Frankie I own.......so I'll go NT.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    The toning is real.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    It's AT - sort of. I say "sort of" because it happened by accident.

    About a year ago I was experimenting with various methods to try and remove milk spots (the obverse is covered with them). I tried all kinds of stuff; mineral oil, denatured alcohol, acetone, Ezest, MS70, vinegar, baking soda, etc. I even tried combinations of some of them together. Nothing worked, of course, and I spent most of the coins. This one I tossed in the cabinet.

    Yesterday I was going through the cabinet cleaning out all the various and sundry coins and sets that had piled up and found it. It had laid reverse side down on the cotton cloth that lines the cabinet and that's the toning that emerged. Like I said, though, the obverse is just flat repulsive.

    Now, if I could just remember the exact combination that produced it. image

    Russ, NCNE
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    It's stories like this that make me wonder about the real difference between NT and AT and why people get so caught up in the question in the first place.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Russ, you should at least know by now that you can't remove milkspots. all the same, i have several MS Kennedy Half-Dollars with similar tone, not quite as intense, both OBV/REV from sitting in folders. most are from the 1973-1982 and i bought them from the same dealer who had taken them out of the folder and sold them in flips. PCGS slabbed the 1978-D at MS66 and the 1978 at MS65, the others aren't in holders yet.

    i like yours.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,020 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's stories like this that make me wonder about the real difference between NT and AT and why people get so caught up in the question in the first place. >>

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  • crispycrispy Posts: 792 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It's stories like this that make me wonder about the real difference between NT and AT and why people get so caught up in the question in the first place. >>



    I agree. Seems to be a fine line. Intentional or otherwise. Attractive coin in any case.


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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    The difference between NT and AT is this.........Rarity and value.

    NT coins of extraordinary beauty are rare and valuable. AT coins

    can be produced at will and the value is dubious. As the number

    of well made AT coins continues to increase and the techniques

    used make it increasingly difficult to tell NT from AT, then the existing price

    stucture will weaken. I believe that a number of toned specialists can still

    tell the difference, but for the mass of collectors it will become a nightmare.
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage

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