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I bid on a roll of BU 1964 lincoln cents. I know I should have read the description first but it is still a EBay Listing Violation. Check it out, here are the e-mails in chronological order, you decide for yourself about the situation, but I will never buy from this seller again.
Here is my invoice, I of course asked about the 49c fee, I know its small but its a matter of princepal.
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Here's the invoice for your item, oojpmoo!
Dear oojpmoo. Thank you for your purchase. The total for your item below is US $4.50.
Click Pay Now to confirm shipping, get total price, and arrange payment through: PayPal; credit card; personal check; money order; other.
Item # Item Title Qty. Price
8336262431 1964 CHOICE/GEM+ BU ROLL OF LINCOLN MEMORIAL CENTS - NR 1 US $0.01
Subtotal: US $0.01
Shipping and handling via Standard Flat Rate Shipping Service:
US $4.00
Seller discounts (-) or charges (+): US $0.49
Total: US $4.50
If you want to mail your payment, please send it and include a copy of this email to:
Rogers' Coins, c/o TTS, Inc.
3941 Legacy Dr.
Suite #204 - Dept. #137-B
Plano, TX 75023
United States
(214) 597-7055
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His reply to my question...
Josh Merchant <merchantjp@msn.com> wrote:
What is the 49 cent surcharge for? Just curious.
E-bay seller wrote:
As stated in the item description:
"If final selling price is below face value, a shipping surcharge of the difference between final selling price and face value will be added."
Thanks,
Roger
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I tried to make right of the situation, as best I could (no I am not into litigation at all, just a little tool I thought up for this situatuion)
Josh Merchant <merchantjp@msn.com> wrote:
To whom it may concern,
I just noticed the statement about "face value" in your
description. I am sorry, but I hope that you have read the seller terms and
conditions. I do not understand why you did not put a starting bidding
price of the "face value" of the coins. If you read the Payment Surcharges
section of the user agreement it clearly states when and when not to apply a
surcharge. Please do not expect payment for this until it is resolved with
E-Bay, as I am filing a report of a fraudulent and misleading seller. If
you have any questions please e-mail me at azmerchantlaw@msn.com, as e-mails
to this mailbox are directly linked to my cell phone and I can respond
immediately. If you would like to resolve this before I report you, then
please change your future descriptions and accredit me a positive feedback,
then I will return the positive feedback immediately. Thank you for your
time, and sorry that it had to come to this, but it is not right to
knowingly misrepresent an items selling price with such easy remedies.
Joshua P.
Merchant
oojpmoo
Ebay seller wrote:
This is not a payment surcharge, it is a shipping surcharge. I'm sorry if you fasiled to read the item description clearly BEFORE you bid. If you would like to be let out of the deal, no problem on my end.
I do appreciate the threats and attempted feedback extortion though over 1 1 cent item - LOL
Have a nice day.
Roger
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I then promptly reported him to ebay and received this
We will thoroughly review the listing(s) you have reported for
violations of our Listing Policies. In order to keep eBay a safe and fun
place to trade, we often rely on members like you to bring such listing
violations to our attention.
In light of our privacy policy, we cannot share with you any action
taken by eBay with respect to this listing. If we determine that the
listing violates eBay policy, we may:
1. Send the seller an informational alert;
2. Remove the listing; or
3. Suspend the seller.
Account suspensions are usually reserved for those sellers that
continuously disregard policy.
If you would like to review our Listing Policies in more detail, please
visit:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-ov.html
Thank you for your report.
Regards,
The eBay Community Watch Team
And this
Dear Joshua P Merchant (merchantjp@msn.com),
Please be aware that the following auction-style listing:
Item Number - 8336262431
Item Title - 1964 CHOICE/GEM+ BU ROLL OF LINCOLN MEMORIAL CENTS - NR
has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies. Any
offers or bids placed on this auction-style listing are now null and void.
Because the auction was ended, you as a bidder are not required to complete the
transaction. Since this is a listing violation, the seller is free to relist the
item in the proper format. Should you wish to do so, you are free to bid on the
item again if it is relisted.
Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following
locations:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
We thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Regards,
eBay Trust & Safety
I admit, I did not read the description, but I cant stand people who try and make an extra buck by blatently disregarding respect for the buyer, and EBays(in this instance) guidelines. Just thought I would share this with members of this community as shared documents prior to this have saved my hide a couple times.
Here is my invoice, I of course asked about the 49c fee, I know its small but its a matter of princepal.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's the invoice for your item, oojpmoo!
Dear oojpmoo. Thank you for your purchase. The total for your item below is US $4.50.
Click Pay Now to confirm shipping, get total price, and arrange payment through: PayPal; credit card; personal check; money order; other.
Item # Item Title Qty. Price
8336262431 1964 CHOICE/GEM+ BU ROLL OF LINCOLN MEMORIAL CENTS - NR 1 US $0.01
Subtotal: US $0.01
Shipping and handling via Standard Flat Rate Shipping Service:
US $4.00
Seller discounts (-) or charges (+): US $0.49
Total: US $4.50
If you want to mail your payment, please send it and include a copy of this email to:
Rogers' Coins, c/o TTS, Inc.
3941 Legacy Dr.
Suite #204 - Dept. #137-B
Plano, TX 75023
United States
(214) 597-7055
--------------------------------------------------------------------
His reply to my question...
Josh Merchant <merchantjp@msn.com> wrote:
What is the 49 cent surcharge for? Just curious.
E-bay seller wrote:
As stated in the item description:
"If final selling price is below face value, a shipping surcharge of the difference between final selling price and face value will be added."
Thanks,
Roger
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I tried to make right of the situation, as best I could (no I am not into litigation at all, just a little tool I thought up for this situatuion)
Josh Merchant <merchantjp@msn.com> wrote:
To whom it may concern,
I just noticed the statement about "face value" in your
description. I am sorry, but I hope that you have read the seller terms and
conditions. I do not understand why you did not put a starting bidding
price of the "face value" of the coins. If you read the Payment Surcharges
section of the user agreement it clearly states when and when not to apply a
surcharge. Please do not expect payment for this until it is resolved with
E-Bay, as I am filing a report of a fraudulent and misleading seller. If
you have any questions please e-mail me at azmerchantlaw@msn.com, as e-mails
to this mailbox are directly linked to my cell phone and I can respond
immediately. If you would like to resolve this before I report you, then
please change your future descriptions and accredit me a positive feedback,
then I will return the positive feedback immediately. Thank you for your
time, and sorry that it had to come to this, but it is not right to
knowingly misrepresent an items selling price with such easy remedies.
Joshua P.
Merchant
oojpmoo
Ebay seller wrote:
This is not a payment surcharge, it is a shipping surcharge. I'm sorry if you fasiled to read the item description clearly BEFORE you bid. If you would like to be let out of the deal, no problem on my end.
I do appreciate the threats and attempted feedback extortion though over 1 1 cent item - LOL
Have a nice day.
Roger
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I then promptly reported him to ebay and received this
We will thoroughly review the listing(s) you have reported for
violations of our Listing Policies. In order to keep eBay a safe and fun
place to trade, we often rely on members like you to bring such listing
violations to our attention.
In light of our privacy policy, we cannot share with you any action
taken by eBay with respect to this listing. If we determine that the
listing violates eBay policy, we may:
1. Send the seller an informational alert;
2. Remove the listing; or
3. Suspend the seller.
Account suspensions are usually reserved for those sellers that
continuously disregard policy.
If you would like to review our Listing Policies in more detail, please
visit:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-ov.html
Thank you for your report.
Regards,
The eBay Community Watch Team
And this
Dear Joshua P Merchant (merchantjp@msn.com),
Please be aware that the following auction-style listing:
Item Number - 8336262431
Item Title - 1964 CHOICE/GEM+ BU ROLL OF LINCOLN MEMORIAL CENTS - NR
has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies. Any
offers or bids placed on this auction-style listing are now null and void.
Because the auction was ended, you as a bidder are not required to complete the
transaction. Since this is a listing violation, the seller is free to relist the
item in the proper format. Should you wish to do so, you are free to bid on the
item again if it is relisted.
Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following
locations:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
We thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Regards,
eBay Trust & Safety
I admit, I did not read the description, but I cant stand people who try and make an extra buck by blatently disregarding respect for the buyer, and EBays(in this instance) guidelines. Just thought I would share this with members of this community as shared documents prior to this have saved my hide a couple times.
Joshua P. Merchant
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Comments
Of course, Ebay will take action in this case. The seller tried to rip them off for a grand total of half a cent. Everybody better sell their Ebay stock immediatly before they go broke. Meanwhile, true fraud against both buyers (counterfeits, bait-and-switch, blatantly doctored coins, etc.) and sellers (stolen pics/formating, account hijacking, etc ) go completely unchallenged.
I agree with the seller, here. Your attempt at feedback extortion is totally out of line.
Principals, principals, principals.......
1. You clearly DID NOT read the auction
2. YOU attempted to remedy the situation by resorting to FB extortion
3. YOU ignored the sellers offer to cancel the sale altogether
I agree, he was in violation of the rules. But, that could have been reported regardless.
As a bidder, you are just as responsible to read the auction as the seller is to be honest, forthright and within the rules. In this case you were just as guilty as the seller.
Just my eversohumble opinion.
Cheers,
Bob
We are talking $4.01 or $4.50 for the sale for a roll of pennies worth maybe $1.00.
A local dealer or show would have been a better palce to go.
Not even worht the bother.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
<< <i>Principals, principals, principals....... >>
That's principles, principles, principles.....
The buyer should let this walk softly into the good night.
That's for sure. You're BLOCKED!
How is this:
"If final selling price is below face value, a shipping surcharge of the difference between final selling price and face value will be added"
Different than this:
Final
Price Shipping
0.01 4.49
0.02 4.48
0.03 4.47
0.04 4.46
0.05 4.45
0.06 4.44
0.07 4.43
0.08 4.42
0.09 4.41
0.10 4.40
0.11 4.39
0.12 4.38
0.13 4.37
0.14 4.36
0.15 4.35
0.16 4.34
0.17 4.33
0.18 4.32
0.19 4.31
0.20 4.30
0.21 4.29
0.22 4.28
0.23 4.27
0.24 4.26
0.25 4.25
0.26 4.24
0.27 4.23
0.28 4.22
0.29 4.21
0.30 4.20
0.31 4.19
0.32 4.18
0.33 4.17
0.34 4.16
0.35 4.15
0.36 4.14
0.37 4.13
0.38 4.12
0.39 4.11
0.40 4.10
0.41 4.09
0.42 4.08
0.43 4.07
0.44 4.06
0.45 4.05
0.46 4.04
0.47 4.03
0.48 4.02
0.49 4.01
0.50 & Above, 4.00
MANY sellers have a graduated shipping schedule based on the final price of the item.
This is not a payment surcharge, it is a shipping surcharge (isn't it?) .
I'm sorry if you failed to read the item description clearly BEFORE you bid (as many of you told me I CERTIANLY should have w/ebwcoin and so should have he).
If you would like to be let out of the deal, no problem on my end (was it not right of me to let him do this - I think it was about all I could do to make him happy).
I do appreciate the threats (completely uncalled for in his 1st reply to my explanation)
and attempted feedback extortion (Any justification of this AT ALL? YOU ALL WOULD BE BEST OFF TO BLOCK THIS IDIOT) though over a 1 cent item - LOL
Have a nice day.
Roger
All he had to say was "OK cancel the deal".
OK, so eBay gave the squeaky wheel some grease (I bet he liked it depending on where it landed) and he saved eBay almost 2.5 cents IF he was right on the fee avoidance side but cost them 30 cents or so on the final value side. So they lost.
I don't understand why he just didn't call the deal off as you had allowed him that option. We all have principals, but my time is ALSO valuable and certainly not worth making an example of someone over such a trite infraction.
Cheers,
Bob
<< <i>No sympathy here either.
We are talking $4.01 or $4.50 for the sale for a roll of pennies worth maybe $1.00.
A local dealer or show would have been a better palce to go.
Not even worht the bother. >>
Ditto here/.
Self Indulgence | Holey Coins | Flickr Photostream
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Final
Price Shipping
0.01 4.49
0.02 4.48
0.03 4.47
0.04 4.46
0.05 4.45
0.06 4.44
0.07 4.43
0.08 4.42
0.09 4.41
0.10 4.40
0.11 4.39
0.12 4.38
0.13 4.37
0.14 4.36
0.15 4.35
0.16 4.34
0.17 4.33
0.18 4.32
0.19 4.31
0.20 4.30
0.21 4.29
0.22 4.28
0.23 4.27
0.24 4.26
0.25 4.25
0.26 4.24
0.27 4.23
0.28 4.22
0.29 4.21
0.30 4.20
0.31 4.19
0.32 4.18
0.33 4.17
0.34 4.16
0.35 4.15
0.36 4.14
0.37 4.13
0.38 4.12
0.39 4.11
0.40 4.10
0.41 4.09
0.42 4.08
0.43 4.07
0.44 4.06
0.45 4.05
0.46 4.04
0.47 4.03
0.48 4.02
0.49 4.01
0.50 & Above, 4.00
MANY sellers have a graduated shipping schedule based on the final price of the item.
<< <i>
You were willing to pay $4.01 for a roll of 64 cents, that have a value of about a buck,, but you had a problem with paying 4.50 ??
OK ???
and then you spent hours trying to get the auction pulled when the seller said he would let you out of it ?
I think your going to find yourself (BLOCKED) on a few other ebay sellers also !!
Rick
Always Looking for Raw Proof Lincoln Cents !!
Al
<< <i>I bid on a roll of BU 1964 lincoln cents. I know I should have read the description first but it is still a EBay Listing Violation. Check it out, here are the e-mails in chronological order, you decide for yourself about the situation, but I will never buy from this seller again.
Here is my invoice, I of course asked about the 49c fee, I know its small but its a matter of princepal.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's the invoice for your item, oojpmoo!
Dear oojpmoo. Thank you for your purchase. The total for your item below is US $4.50.
Click Pay Now to confirm shipping, get total price, and arrange payment through: PayPal; credit card; personal check; money order; other.
Item # Item Title Qty. Price
8336262431 1964 CHOICE/GEM+ BU ROLL OF LINCOLN MEMORIAL CENTS - NR 1 US $0.01
Subtotal: US $0.01
Shipping and handling via Standard Flat Rate Shipping Service:
US $4.00
Seller discounts (-) or charges (+): US $0.49
Total: US $4.50
If you want to mail your payment, please send it and include a copy of this email to:
Rogers' Coins, c/o TTS, Inc.
3941 Legacy Dr.
Suite #204 - Dept. #137-B
Plano, TX 75023
United States
(214) 597-7055
--------------------------------------------------------------------
His reply to my question...
Josh Merchant <merchantjp@msn.com> wrote:
What is the 49 cent surcharge for? Just curious.
E-bay seller wrote:
As stated in the item description:
"If final selling price is below face value, a shipping surcharge of the difference between final selling price and face value will be added."
Thanks,
Roger
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I tried to make right of the situation, as best I could (no I am not into litigation at all, just a little tool I thought up for this situatuion)
Josh Merchant <merchantjp@msn.com> wrote:
To whom it may concern,
I just noticed the statement about "face value" in your
description. I am sorry, but I hope that you have read the seller terms and
conditions. I do not understand why you did not put a starting bidding
price of the "face value" of the coins. If you read the Payment Surcharges
section of the user agreement it clearly states when and when not to apply a
surcharge. Please do not expect payment for this until it is resolved with
E-Bay, as I am filing a report of a fraudulent and misleading seller. If
you have any questions please e-mail me at azmerchantlaw@msn.com, as e-mails
to this mailbox are directly linked to my cell phone and I can respond
immediately. If you would like to resolve this before I report you, then
please change your future descriptions and accredit me a positive feedback,
then I will return the positive feedback immediately. Thank you for your
time, and sorry that it had to come to this, but it is not right to
knowingly misrepresent an items selling price with such easy remedies.
Joshua P.
Merchant
oojpmoo
Ebay seller wrote:
This is not a payment surcharge, it is a shipping surcharge. I'm sorry if you fasiled to read the item description clearly BEFORE you bid. If you would like to be let out of the deal, no problem on my end.
I do appreciate the threats and attempted feedback extortion though over 1 1 cent item - LOL
Have a nice day.
Roger
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I then promptly reported him to ebay and received this
We will thoroughly review the listing(s) you have reported for
violations of our Listing Policies. In order to keep eBay a safe and fun
place to trade, we often rely on members like you to bring such listing
violations to our attention.
In light of our privacy policy, we cannot share with you any action
taken by eBay with respect to this listing. If we determine that the
listing violates eBay policy, we may:
1. Send the seller an informational alert;
2. Remove the listing; or
3. Suspend the seller.
Account suspensions are usually reserved for those sellers that
continuously disregard policy.
If you would like to review our Listing Policies in more detail, please
visit:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-ov.html
Thank you for your report.
Regards,
The eBay Community Watch Team
And this
Dear Joshua P Merchant (merchantjp@msn.com),
Please be aware that the following auction-style listing:
Item Number - 8336262431
Item Title - 1964 CHOICE/GEM+ BU ROLL OF LINCOLN MEMORIAL CENTS - NR
has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies. Any
offers or bids placed on this auction-style listing are now null and void.
Because the auction was ended, you as a bidder are not required to complete the
transaction. Since this is a listing violation, the seller is free to relist the
item in the proper format. Should you wish to do so, you are free to bid on the
item again if it is relisted.
Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following
locations:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
We thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Regards,
eBay Trust & Safety
I admit, I did not read the description, but I cant stand people who try and make an extra buck by blatently disregarding respect for the buyer, and EBays(in this instance) guidelines. Just thought I would share this with members of this community as shared documents prior to this have saved my hide a couple times.
hi, i'm tom.
i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.
Suite #204 - Dept. #137-B
Plano, TX 75023
Suite 204 is a mail drop for a PMB. I thought that was supposed to be contained in the address so as to alert mail senders.
<< <i>I agree with Outhaul. All this over a roll of pennies that hammered down at a penny? I have to ask, are you a kid?
Russ, NCNE >>
yes, yes I am. I turn 15 on the 17th of this month
<< <i><< I agree with Outhaul. All this over a roll of pennies that hammered down at a penny? I have to ask, are you a kid?
Russ, NCNE >>
yes, yes I am >>
Well, that does go a long way toward explaining the overreaction. You'll look back on this one day through more mature eyes and realize that it is trivial.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>
"If final selling price is below face value, a shipping surcharge of the difference between final selling price and face value will be added"
MANY sellers have a graduated shipping schedule based on the final price of the item.
This is not a payment surcharge, it is a shipping surcharge<STRONG> (isn't it?)</STRONG> .
>>
Don't shipping charges usually increase as the auction price increases, and not the other way around
Let this one go, kid. Just chalk it up to experience, let bygones be bygones, and be a tad more careful next time.
One other thing...as you go through life you will be confronted with many battles. You can't fight them all, and you can't win them all. You need to choose your battles wisely or you will be doomed to a life of misery.
Do you want to be right all the time? Or do you want to be happy...
Cheers,
Bob
<< <i>Sorry, no sympathy here.
1. You clearly DID NOT read the auction
2. YOU attempted to remedy the situation by resorting to FB extortion
3. YOU ignored the sellers offer to cancel the sale altogether
I agree, he was in violation of the rules. But, that could have been reported regardless.
As a bidder, you are just as responsible to read the auction as the seller is to be honest, forthright and within the rules. In this case you were just as guilty as the seller.
Just my eversohumble opinion.
I did not mean to extort feddback from him, I just thought that feedback would have to be left and I thought this would be the best solution. I know sometime neg feedback is left just for questioning the cercumstance, i didnt know what else to do. Well, I am sorry to Roger, and all of those I have offended. I will be more careful and aware of future online purchases.
Cheers,
Bob >>
<< <i>Well, I am sorry to Roger, and all of those I have offended. I will be more careful and aware of future online purchases. >>